WEBVTT 1 00:00:13.360 --> 00:00:15.340 All right, at seven o'clock we'll call the City Council meeting to order. Will you 2 00:00:15.340 --> 00:00:16.720 all rise for the Pledge of Allegiance? [Pledge, partly unclear.] [Roll call. 3 00:00:16.720 --> 00:00:26.190 Mayor Luke Merrill and council members George Hemen, Steve Lundeen, Nick 4 00:00:26.190 --> 00:00:37.080 Pedersen, and Erika Zdon were reported present.] I will open the floor for public 5 00:00:37.080 --> 00:00:46.520 comment. This is the place for public comment. Hearing none, I will... 6 00:00:47.120 --> 00:00:50.580 Look for a motion to adopt the agenda. Are there changes? Yes, there are. Good 7 00:00:50.580 --> 00:00:55.260 evening, Mayor and Council. We do have one last-minute agenda item that was added 8 00:00:55.260 --> 00:01:00.620 today, and that is due to myself forgetting to add it to the agenda. That 9 00:01:00.620 --> 00:01:06.480 is to add Evergreen Apartments parking continued discussion. You'll see that as 10 00:01:06.480 --> 00:01:09.660 number one, but we added that this afternoon, and then she's here. So I 11 00:01:09.660 --> 00:01:11.380 apologize that we added that 12 00:01:11.680 --> 00:01:16.280 Today. But then I have two more to add to the agenda this evening. One would be 13 00:01:16.280 --> 00:01:23.750 K.10, County LRIP support request, and then also adding a business item K.11, 14 00:01:23.750 --> 00:01:37.530 building access. Building access, correct. Any questions or concerns about adding 15 00:01:37.530 --> 00:01:41.220 those? Entertain a motion. Motion. 16 00:01:42.230 --> 00:01:47.270 Second. Motion by Pedersen, second by Lundeen. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any 17 00:01:48.110 --> 00:01:52.550 opposed? Motion carries 5-0. The agenda is adopted with the additions. Next, we'll 18 00:01:52.550 --> 00:01:57.110 move on to the proclamation for Veterans Day, November 11th. [Unclear.] Thank you 19 00:01:57.110 --> 00:01:57.630 to all veterans. 20 00:01:58.270 --> 00:02:02.190 Whereas on November 11th each year, our nation honors the brave men and women who 21 00:02:02.190 --> 00:02:05.310 have served in the United States Armed Forces, recognizing their dedication, 22 00:02:05.550 --> 00:02:09.290 sacrifice, and unwavering commitment to protecting the freedoms and liberties that 23 00:02:09.290 --> 00:02:13.190 we hold dear. And whereas Veterans Day serves as an opportunity for our community 24 00:02:13.190 --> 00:02:17.210 to express heartfelt gratitude to all veterans, those who have served in times 25 00:02:17.210 --> 00:02:21.350 of war and peace, and those who have given selflessly to ensure the safety of our 26 00:02:21.350 --> 00:02:21.670 nation. 27 00:02:22.250 --> 00:02:25.970 And whereas we honor the legacy of our veterans who have served both at home and 28 00:02:25.970 --> 00:02:29.870 abroad, recognizing that their sacrifices played an essential role in upholding the 29 00:02:29.870 --> 00:02:33.430 core values of our nation, and whereas the City of Isanti acknowledges the tremendous 30 00:02:33.430 --> 00:02:37.770 sacrifices made by these individuals and their families and appreciates the 31 00:02:37.770 --> 00:02:41.530 enduring spirit of service they have instilled in our community, and whereas it 32 00:02:41.530 --> 00:02:45.270 is fitting that we take time not only to remember the sacrifices of those who have 33 00:02:45.270 --> 00:02:49.290 served, but also to reflect on the unity and resilience they have inspired within 34 00:02:49.290 --> 00:02:50.410 our city and our nation. 35 00:02:50.770 --> 00:02:54.530 Now, therefore, I, Luke Merrill, Mayor of the City of Isanti, do hereby proclaim 36 00:02:54.530 --> 00:02:58.910 November 11th, 2026 as Veterans Day in the City of Isanti, and encourage all 37 00:02:58.910 --> 00:03:02.710 residents to join in commemorating this special day, to participate in the 38 00:03:02.710 --> 00:03:06.390 ceremonies and observances honoring our veterans, and to express our deepest 39 00:03:06.390 --> 00:03:10.750 gratitude for their service and their sacrifice. So thank you to all veterans. 40 00:03:10.750 --> 00:03:15.510 And we are working on Veterans Park planning, and we're really excited about 41 00:03:15.510 --> 00:03:18.870 that, so hopefully that comes next year, and that'll be great. 42 00:03:20.310 --> 00:03:26.190 Next we'll move on to item G.1, approval of City Council meeting minutes from 43 00:03:26.190 --> 00:03:34.010 October 20th, 2026, Committee of the Whole. Any questions or changes? Motion to 44 00:03:34.250 --> 00:03:38.010 approve. Second. Motion by Lundeen, second by Hemen. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any 45 00:03:38.010 --> 00:03:45.600 opposed? Motion carries 5-0. Next, October 20th, 2026 City Council minutes. Motion to 46 00:03:45.600 --> 00:03:45.820 approve. 47 00:03:46.720 --> 00:03:52.260 Second. Motion by Lundeen. Second by Zdon. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? 48 00:03:52.260 --> 00:03:56.040 Motion carries 5-0. Next, we'll move on to the announcements. Canvass Board meeting 49 00:03:56.040 --> 00:04:00.440 Tuesday, November 10th, 2026 at 5 p.m. City Hall will be closed in observance of 50 00:04:00.440 --> 00:04:03.380 Veterans Day Wednesday, November 11th, 2026. 51 00:04:04.210 --> 00:04:08.690 Committee of the Whole meeting, Tuesday, November 17th, 2026, at 5 p.m. City 52 00:04:08.690 --> 00:04:13.250 Council meeting, Tuesday, November 17th, 2026, at 7 p.m. Park and Rec Board 53 00:04:13.250 --> 00:04:17.570 meeting, Tuesday, November 24th, at 6 p.m. And we'll open the floor for county 54 00:04:17.570 --> 00:04:23.350 communications. I don't see anybody from the county here, so we'll close that. Next 55 00:04:23.350 --> 00:04:25.050 we'll move on to council committee reports. 56 00:04:33.230 --> 00:04:43.650 This rating is pushing jobs back their next week sounds good any council 57 00:04:43.650 --> 00:04:51.730 committee reports uh go for it uh so they're continuing to go over the employee 58 00:04:51.730 --> 00:04:58.230 handbook uh that's gone through the firefighters presented with it for review 59 00:04:58.230 --> 00:05:04.870 to bring up any issues before it makes its final approval to the board at some point 60 00:05:05.930 --> 00:05:11.710 There were six applicants for the fire district and they passed on to one, but 61 00:05:11.710 --> 00:05:16.010 then the other five were proceeding forward. We adjusted that firefighter 62 00:05:16.010 --> 00:05:21.530 pension fund, so it was $1,000 increase towards their pension every year, which is 63 00:05:21.530 --> 00:05:28.230 not in the budget, but from a dividend through the insurance through the state, 64 00:05:28.790 --> 00:05:30.470 but so long as it maintained. 65 00:05:31.380 --> 00:05:37.700 Where it's above 100% and it doesn't cost the city or the townships anything. Oxford 66 00:05:37.700 --> 00:05:43.840 Township donated $1,000 for the use of Station 3 when their township all was 67 00:05:43.840 --> 00:05:50.240 being reconstructed. So they more than offset the cost of the use of the building 68 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:54.910 over that time. Engine 3 has been sold. 69 00:05:55.600 --> 00:06:05.780 And we received a grant from the feds, a 95% match for a tanker up to 70 00:06:05.780 --> 00:06:12.660 $620-some-thousand dollars. And then there was a donation from the Royal Association, 71 00:06:12.660 --> 00:06:19.180 a $80,000 match. They want to get a different ladder truck, so that's being 72 00:06:19.180 --> 00:06:22.190 pursued. And that's it. 73 00:06:23.400 --> 00:06:27.760 Nick, did they apply for a grant? I'm sorry, did they apply for a grant to get 74 00:06:27.760 --> 00:06:34.420 the ladder program? They did a ladder truck grant in 25, which we did not 75 00:06:34.760 --> 00:06:40.780 receive. This year, we did another grant proposal for a water tanker, which we did 76 00:06:41.720 --> 00:06:50.020 receive. We got that. So that's a 95%, 5% match up to $620,000. I know every year 77 00:06:50.020 --> 00:06:52.420 they've been applying for that ladder truck grant. 78 00:06:53.860 --> 00:06:59.740 The window for the one for this year was before the results of last year's came in. 79 00:07:00.420 --> 00:07:05.420 So it didn't make sense to submit for the ladder truck. So I suggest we go for a 80 00:07:05.420 --> 00:07:10.810 tinker. I heard a lot of need for a tinker replacement. So that's what we submitted 81 00:07:10.810 --> 00:07:14.570 for and got back much faster than last year. I know they've been milking that 82 00:07:14.570 --> 00:07:17.310 ladder truck out. They've had a lot of hydraulic issues. 83 00:07:22.870 --> 00:07:29.150 So the Royal Association proposed an $80,000 dollar per dollar match to try to 84 00:07:29.150 --> 00:07:33.990 replace the ladder truck that would have had a lot of leaky hydraulic fluid and 85 00:07:33.990 --> 00:07:38.880 it's not as reliable as they'd like the ladder to be. So they're trying to pursue 86 00:07:38.880 --> 00:07:39.760 it down that road. 87 00:07:40.920 --> 00:07:44.180 And i know they've been looking for other letters uh the one meeting i substituted 88 00:07:44.180 --> 00:07:48.600 in for you we authorized up to i think 75 000 to get on one or somewhere around that 89 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:52.700 and went for like a few hundred bucks over that uh i think there's a great used 90 00:07:52.700 --> 00:07:55.640 market for those ladders because the new ladder is between two and three million 91 00:07:55.640 --> 00:08:00.420 dollars if you can buy a new phone for 100 grand it's a bit of less savings there's a 92 00:08:00.420 --> 00:08:04.380 cost of also the lead time is another big thing like even if you have the money the 93 00:08:04.380 --> 00:08:07.940 turnaround time on those is not fast versus stuff is ready to go 94 00:08:10.580 --> 00:08:16.260 Okay, good update. Any questions on that, Bernard? Any other council committee 95 00:08:16.260 --> 00:08:22.030 reports? I do have a couple. You know, we kind of talked about the Arts and Science 96 00:08:22.030 --> 00:08:25.630 Academy, kind of the same thing. We talked about their tenants is down. They're 97 00:08:25.630 --> 00:08:31.850 leasing their building and selling some commercial space on Highway 65. So most of 98 00:08:31.850 --> 00:08:34.870 their meetings have been discussing budget changes, and I think they've done a pretty 99 00:08:34.870 --> 00:08:38.230 good job and put a pretty bad spot to try and make adjustments. 100 00:08:39.630 --> 00:08:42.450 The last Chamber of Commerce meeting here was a business economic development 101 00:08:42.450 --> 00:08:45.910 presentation. I get that from the Chamber and send that to you guys and basically 102 00:08:45.910 --> 00:08:50.710 looked at the state business outlook and a lot of economic indicators that are 103 00:08:50.710 --> 00:08:54.610 concerning to businesses. I know there's a few metrics where we ranked, you know, 104 00:08:54.770 --> 00:09:00.150 45th, 49th or last in the state for business friendliness essentially here in 105 00:09:00.150 --> 00:09:00.510 the country. 106 00:09:01.050 --> 00:09:04.670 And that's very concerning. I thought it was very interesting and I asked some hard 107 00:09:04.670 --> 00:09:08.810 questions because if you go down to the LMC or if you listen to State Capitol 108 00:09:08.810 --> 00:09:13.250 hearings, the information that they present down there is completely different 109 00:09:13.250 --> 00:09:17.230 than the information that this state organization actually has. So I'm not 110 00:09:17.230 --> 00:09:20.830 really sure what is going on at the Capitol and LMC. It's kind of 111 00:09:20.830 --> 00:09:24.830 embarrassing, but I'll send you guys that information because it's very important 112 00:09:24.830 --> 00:09:25.910 that we know that... 113 00:09:26.710 --> 00:09:30.330 The whole look on business stuff is very you know essential to the city by standing 114 00:09:30.330 --> 00:09:33.630 in the state so i'll send that presentation you guys can look at that if 115 00:09:33.630 --> 00:09:39.440 you have any questions feel free to reach out to me on those hearing no other yeah 116 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:43.140 go ahead excuse me america if i could just make another announcement i realize it's 117 00:09:43.140 --> 00:09:47.120 not on the agenda but as was decided the last committee of the whole meeting we do 118 00:09:47.120 --> 00:09:52.200 have a budget work session following city council so it'll be immediately following 119 00:09:53.110 --> 00:09:59.510 On the seven on the 17th sorry throwing all sorts of curveballs today sorry about 120 00:09:59.510 --> 00:10:08.450 that okay sounds good thank you here's another concept here yep um last time i 121 00:10:08.450 --> 00:10:14.870 talked i presented the forward budget to you guys and next time they want to have 122 00:10:14.870 --> 00:10:19.920 to prove if anyone has anything as far as the budget before we turn that down 123 00:10:21.260 --> 00:10:27.240 Do we have a budget with everybody's salaries and stuff listed individually? I 124 00:10:27.240 --> 00:10:31.490 can give that to you. Sounds good. 125 00:10:34.190 --> 00:10:38.370 No other questions. We'll move on to item K-1, Evergreen Apartments parking 126 00:10:38.370 --> 00:10:42.570 continued discussion. Do we still want that at K-1? Yes, yes, please. Thank you. 127 00:10:42.570 --> 00:10:47.230 So, Mayor and Council, we do have Ms. Tabitha Johnson here. She's on behalf of 128 00:10:47.230 --> 00:10:51.810 Evergreen Apartments. You may recall that this discussion actually started in April. 129 00:10:51.810 --> 00:10:57.630 April 21st, she came to the committee of the whole meeting to request maybe up to 130 00:10:57.630 --> 00:10:58.550 two times per year. 131 00:10:58.990 --> 00:11:04.290 Moving the vehicles from their Evergreen apartment lot fully over so they do a full 132 00:11:04.290 --> 00:11:09.170 lot cleaner if there is an excessive buildup of snow. There was some 133 00:11:09.170 --> 00:11:13.630 conversation from the council committee at that time wondering if they could park 134 00:11:13.630 --> 00:11:18.670 along Wendover instead of on County Road 5 and the area there. 135 00:11:19.910 --> 00:11:25.870 And then staff had sent out a letter to Wendover staff and they were not 136 00:11:25.870 --> 00:11:28.950 requesting to park on Wendover, but we just wanted to make sure as a council that 137 00:11:28.950 --> 00:11:33.550 they see if they had any issues with them parking over there. Then that was 138 00:11:33.550 --> 00:11:39.270 discussed again at Committee of the Whole on May 21st. And at that time, the council 139 00:11:39.270 --> 00:11:43.850 committee had made the recommendation that she make the request to the Isanti County 140 00:11:43.850 --> 00:11:46.970 Board and Highway Department about 141 00:11:47.300 --> 00:11:53.040 Temporarily parking on county road five very infrequently but if necessary and she 142 00:11:53.040 --> 00:11:57.460 was able to hear from them and now she is back to let you know those findings and 143 00:11:57.460 --> 00:12:07.830 potentially continue the discussion thank you for coming in hopefully you have good 144 00:12:07.830 --> 00:12:14.870 news no okay uh tabitha johnson and beauty by address 145 00:12:15.660 --> 00:12:20.280 The address to Evergreen? Yes, Evergreen. Evergreen is good. Okay, it's Evergreen 146 00:12:20.280 --> 00:12:26.480 Apartments at 401 8th Avenue Northeast here in Isanti. It's on County Road 5 and 147 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:38.460 then City Road, which is 8th Avenue. I did ask the county, I actually asked the 148 00:12:38.460 --> 00:12:43.360 county this spring and then just in preparation for re-reaching out to the 149 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:48.900 city and both times they denied willingness to allow parking on County 150 00:12:48.900 --> 00:12:49.240 Road 5. 151 00:12:50.060 --> 00:12:59.600 So my request tonight would be one of the only other feasible options in my opinion 152 00:12:59.600 --> 00:13:01.660 and that would be along the north. 153 00:13:02.870 --> 00:13:08.210 Along 8th Avenue, north of my property and south of the development and south of like 154 00:13:08.210 --> 00:13:15.230 Park Road apartments as well. So, and then just to correct, clarify what Josie said, 155 00:13:15.390 --> 00:13:20.650 I mean, I don't know how many times we might need a full lots of removal in the 156 00:13:20.650 --> 00:13:26.930 winter too, I don't think it's for a Minnesota winter, but my thoughts are that 157 00:13:26.930 --> 00:13:29.050 it's sometimes once a month. 158 00:13:29.470 --> 00:13:35.370 Possibly twice a month. Again, we don't know, hopefully never, based on my 159 00:13:35.370 --> 00:13:40.010 feelings about Minnesota pictures. But anyway, that would be my request. I 160 00:13:40.010 --> 00:13:45.590 understand that it is also a snow route, that it is currently no parking, but I 161 00:13:45.590 --> 00:13:51.110 just simply have nowhere now at all for my residents to move their vehicles off my 162 00:13:51.110 --> 00:13:55.570 property so that we can safely remove the snow from our parking lots for them to... 163 00:13:56.270 --> 00:14:00.510 Uh come and go from the building and from their parking spaces on the garage banks 164 00:14:00.510 --> 00:14:09.380 so that is my request i thought we had discussed that they had some open area of 165 00:14:09.380 --> 00:14:17.020 that parking lot considering allowing them to maybe call them can't hear me i thought 166 00:14:17.020 --> 00:14:17.760 we talked about 167 00:14:19.250 --> 00:14:22.850 They had some open area there off their parking lot that they could call and 168 00:14:22.850 --> 00:14:27.490 possibly park their cars there while they clean the line. And we talked about that 169 00:14:27.490 --> 00:14:35.160 being potentially MS4 compliance violation because of salt and... I thought we looked 170 00:14:35.160 --> 00:14:43.200 into that on other unimproved services and that wasn't the case. Unless apartment 171 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:48.510 buildings run into a different statue of some sort. 172 00:14:53.940 --> 00:14:59.640 Let me do a little research and to find any more out about that sorry i wasn't 173 00:14:59.640 --> 00:15:04.840 ready for that i thought that's what we discussed and i and i do remember the 174 00:15:04.840 --> 00:15:09.600 conversation about it but it was it's not something that you know they're going to 175 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:15.800 be a lot of burn on during the summer it was just just for winter snoring rules can 176 00:15:15.800 --> 00:15:20.520 you remind me did we not have several letters from the residents in that area 177 00:15:20.520 --> 00:15:21.100 stating 178 00:15:21.700 --> 00:15:28.000 That they were strongly against it due to the driving. It's just so limited. And 179 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:32.000 that was on Wendover. So Wendover is the street directly across from it. It goes 180 00:15:32.000 --> 00:15:37.440 into a cul-de-sac. And we all unanimously decided that for safety of the residents 181 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:41.760 and their children and blind spots and mail and garbage and all of the things 182 00:15:41.760 --> 00:15:47.180 that that was ruled out. I think the IAE 21 was when it was. 183 00:15:47.790 --> 00:15:54.410 So we're potentially entertaining the idea of being able to plow during the winter 184 00:15:54.410 --> 00:16:00.950 months only the parcel that Evergreen Apartments owns and that would be our 185 00:16:00.950 --> 00:16:05.050 responsibility to plow that and then to keep that space safe and we're potentially 186 00:16:05.050 --> 00:16:08.230 going to be allowed to salt that down to the... 187 00:16:09.260 --> 00:16:13.720 Dirt and I mean I think we would need probably anywhere between a dozen and a 188 00:16:13.720 --> 00:16:19.680 half to two dozen parking spaces just to provide ample parking for those vehicles 189 00:16:19.680 --> 00:16:27.480 that might need to be off the property for our full lot because we're not willing to 190 00:16:27.480 --> 00:16:32.660 consider the 8th Avenue. Yeah, I don't know if we can because there's no 191 00:16:32.660 --> 00:16:35.900 emergency room. Maybe Josh can touch on that or Travis. 192 00:16:38.070 --> 00:16:41.990 Yeah, I think it would be the chief would be the one to, he would have to provide an 193 00:16:41.990 --> 00:16:47.430 exception for that. I would like to note to that at Run River Apartments on Third 194 00:16:47.430 --> 00:16:53.590 Avenue, I have in the past worked with the police department or informed them of our 195 00:16:53.590 --> 00:17:01.410 full last room removal with success. That's the important instances that 196 00:17:01.700 --> 00:17:07.900 occasionally can grant that. Every once in a while, like that, for example, 197 00:17:08.520 --> 00:17:10.760 somebody's having a graduation party on. 198 00:17:12.400 --> 00:17:15.480 The streets that have no parking they can ask for that and depending on where that 199 00:17:15.480 --> 00:17:24.550 is what time of year what kind of practice it's in order to the state you can totally 200 00:17:24.970 --> 00:17:29.280 with that okay so should you or what about the parameters that's a whole other 201 00:17:29.280 --> 00:17:35.750 discussion topic right on the time of year and the other issues would you have any 202 00:17:35.750 --> 00:17:39.710 concerns with that as far as a public safety thing i mean is that a substantial 203 00:17:39.710 --> 00:17:45.870 concern in that location it is okay it's it's challenging in that location 204 00:17:46.620 --> 00:17:47.180 especially 205 00:17:48.370 --> 00:17:53.970 From your parking lot south right that's the biggest concern um we would have to 206 00:17:53.970 --> 00:17:57.950 really take a look at what the traffic volume is now with the new apartments to 207 00:17:57.950 --> 00:18:02.210 see what's north of there prior to that that probably wouldn't have been an issue 208 00:18:02.210 --> 00:18:08.030 right but i don't have i don't take much attention to see what that traffic flow is 209 00:18:08.030 --> 00:18:17.090 north of their entrance so we could look into that and see if that's possible as 210 00:18:17.090 --> 00:18:19.560 long as there's not a lot of traffic 211 00:18:21.200 --> 00:18:26.050 Winter has always a challenge in the parking lot. Snowbaits get high and 212 00:18:26.050 --> 00:18:32.210 everything else, so there's a lot of variables. And I guess before improving, I 213 00:18:32.210 --> 00:18:35.690 want to know how many school buses are coming through there. I guess that's the 214 00:18:35.690 --> 00:18:39.730 IIS entrance. I don't know how many come in through there, but I'm guessing they 215 00:18:39.730 --> 00:18:47.260 kind of split their route when they come across. And I know it's a fairly high 216 00:18:47.260 --> 00:18:49.580 traffic area, but... 217 00:18:50.640 --> 00:18:54.880 I don't know i would be nice to let them use their property for parking but i don't 218 00:18:54.880 --> 00:18:58.660 know how that works the whole salting of the little cloud lot seems like that would 219 00:18:58.660 --> 00:19:06.540 definitely not be ideal i would say what i'm hearing is that safety is an issue 220 00:19:06.540 --> 00:19:12.820 here with the parking on the street and so i think if that's our consideration for 221 00:19:12.820 --> 00:19:17.140 why we're allowing parking on that area we can 222 00:19:17.620 --> 00:19:23.260 It allows for an exception if we state that in the allowance on the resolution so 223 00:19:23.260 --> 00:19:28.360 we're not opening a can form that allows everybody to park on and improve services 224 00:19:28.360 --> 00:19:34.740 within our business and dense residential districts and so i think that's up to you 225 00:19:34.740 --> 00:19:40.220 guys but that's what i'm hearing is that it is a safety and that would only be for 226 00:19:40.220 --> 00:19:42.460 temporary snow removal not like full-time parking 227 00:19:43.790 --> 00:19:46.790 I know it's probably a little more of a headache having to fall out of the spot 228 00:19:46.790 --> 00:19:51.010 when it snows to park cars or whatever, but I don't know if there's any other 229 00:19:51.010 --> 00:19:57.320 options. Anybody else have any creative ideas? Mine might be silly, but if you 230 00:19:57.320 --> 00:20:02.100 could schedule it out or not, I'm not sure how much stuff goes at intermediate school 231 00:20:02.100 --> 00:20:09.120 on weekends. It's down north of Wendover. I mean, it's not that much difference. 232 00:20:09.960 --> 00:20:15.440 From that parking lot to there and the crosswalk is just approved across five. 233 00:20:15.720 --> 00:20:22.550 That's probably used to the parking lot. It's not ideal, but it's a parking lot. 234 00:20:23.690 --> 00:20:27.110 That is something that we thought about as well as an ideal it's quite a bit further 235 00:20:27.110 --> 00:20:30.670 than being able to like go around you know eighth avenue north of the property or 236 00:20:30.670 --> 00:20:36.270 even wind over or the options that we've exhausted um the other thing is we do like 237 00:20:36.270 --> 00:20:41.490 to we do like to clear the lots immediately after snow event because the 238 00:20:41.490 --> 00:20:47.090 driving on it alone just as residents are coming and going and hacks it down very 239 00:20:47.090 --> 00:20:48.730 quickly and so um 240 00:20:49.600 --> 00:20:54.340 Time is really of the essence and so if it were to snow on a Monday or Tuesday for an 241 00:20:54.340 --> 00:20:58.680 extreme example to wait until the weekend when it could be melted by then again 242 00:20:58.680 --> 00:21:05.560 based on Minnesota winters but it's a good idea and it might have to be you know if 243 00:21:05.560 --> 00:21:12.940 we try the route of clearing the just leveling and then clearing 244 00:21:15.430 --> 00:21:20.750 The parcel north of the property and if that gets full or is insufficient that's 245 00:21:20.750 --> 00:21:25.990 going to have to be an option or you know harvest or the gas station or like i'm 246 00:21:25.990 --> 00:21:29.930 just anticipating like what am i going to tell my residents when i've you know 247 00:21:29.930 --> 00:21:34.750 exhausted all of our options and they have to walk or get their vehicle towed or 248 00:21:34.750 --> 00:21:37.070 whatever so which is not ideal 249 00:21:39.480 --> 00:21:43.480 Yeah, I guess my other concern would be like the ground is starting to get hard 250 00:21:43.480 --> 00:21:46.860 and so in order to create a surface 251 00:21:48.760 --> 00:21:56.060 On that personal north of our property could pose some difficulty as well. In my 252 00:21:56.060 --> 00:22:02.100 experience, you find that on dirt, if you do get a crust of snow on it, it's a lot 253 00:22:02.100 --> 00:22:07.080 better than salting and sanding it. Because once you start salting and sanding 254 00:22:07.080 --> 00:22:11.540 it so bad, salting it, that gets into the ground and it softens the ground. It makes 255 00:22:11.540 --> 00:22:15.660 it worse. I mean, I'm saying that they went and opened up an area and there are 256 00:22:15.660 --> 00:22:17.060 some people that get over there and move. 257 00:22:19.820 --> 00:22:26.080 Unfortunately, it takes one person to ruin for everybody because they're not willing 258 00:22:26.080 --> 00:22:31.450 to go out and ensure the car gets moved. I mean, myself, if I'm going to get my 259 00:22:31.450 --> 00:22:34.810 driveway clean, I want to get everything out of my driveway so it's clean. I want 260 00:22:34.810 --> 00:22:40.740 to do it one time, I don't want to do it ten times. That's generally how I am. So, 261 00:22:42.630 --> 00:22:50.200 I almost think that that's probably the most viable situation at this point. 262 00:22:50.920 --> 00:22:58.200 I wouldn't suggest salting it. Sand it. I'll leave that to the vendor to decide 263 00:22:58.200 --> 00:23:02.900 what's going to be. The saying is, when you do put salt on it, it creates 264 00:23:02.900 --> 00:23:10.080 moisture. It'll create ice, it'll create softer ground. It just has a tendency to 265 00:23:10.080 --> 00:23:14.920 do that. If they can get in and out of the parking lot and they have gotten a nice 266 00:23:14.920 --> 00:23:17.460 little cut on the dirt. 267 00:23:18.660 --> 00:23:23.720 They should be able to drive on anything as well as drive on a asphalt. So if 268 00:23:23.720 --> 00:23:27.200 there's six inches of snow on it, if they can get through the parking lot, they 269 00:23:27.200 --> 00:23:32.730 should be able to get through that. So should I wait to hear back on approval on 270 00:23:32.730 --> 00:23:39.980 this? I think we just try it. I think that, like Stephanie said, there's a 271 00:23:39.980 --> 00:23:43.660 cutout there. And as far as I'm concerned, that's your property. You should be able 272 00:23:43.660 --> 00:23:47.140 to use it how you want it. So in my opinion, that's up to the group here, 273 00:23:47.200 --> 00:23:52.340 though. And we don't have guidelines about parking. 274 00:23:53.810 --> 00:23:58.170 In the grass or we're going to make exceptions. We do have a guideline about 275 00:23:58.170 --> 00:24:02.630 working in the grass. And so I would say that's the exception that you'd be making 276 00:24:02.630 --> 00:24:07.150 in a special circumstance. And I think we're not setting a precedent if you're 277 00:24:07.150 --> 00:24:11.470 saying it's for safety, temporary or being forced to know when we're told. I would 278 00:24:11.470 --> 00:24:18.370 say salting is no for MS4. Right. So there's other guidelines we want to make 279 00:24:18.370 --> 00:24:22.290 sure we're still maintaining, but clearing it for the ability. 280 00:24:22.810 --> 00:24:29.960 The residents to safely access their homes and hopefully just like you're stating it 281 00:24:29.960 --> 00:24:35.040 would be once maybe twice or maybe zero yeah like hopefully it is just such a 282 00:24:35.040 --> 00:24:40.520 minimal yeah there's so many circumstances that we let vehicles park off the road 283 00:24:40.520 --> 00:24:47.600 within the city radio events this is temporary it's going to be frozen ground 284 00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:55.500 And there's really not any other safer options, all the other options, as opposed 285 00:24:55.500 --> 00:24:59.920 to safety risks. For a long-term solution, I guess, would be getting that asphalt. 286 00:24:59.920 --> 00:25:05.980 It's that way the ground isn't a concern down the road. It has been. I have entered 287 00:25:05.980 --> 00:25:12.120 it in my CapEx budget annually for the last, like, 20 years. And so this will 288 00:25:12.120 --> 00:25:17.300 probably accelerate it. And hopefully it won't get cut in next year's CapEx budget. 289 00:25:21.890 --> 00:25:28.550 I don't know if I was a council member at the time or before, but I did call a staff 290 00:25:28.750 --> 00:25:34.350 one time on parking on the grass and parking on improved surfaces because we 291 00:25:34.350 --> 00:25:39.170 require it in most of our establishments. And they did research and they actually 292 00:25:39.170 --> 00:25:44.800 came back and had to agree with me, and I know it's on record that it actually is 293 00:25:44.800 --> 00:25:49.970 more environmentally correct to park on gravel or... 294 00:25:52.700 --> 00:25:59.890 Grass than it is to park on asphalt or concrete for many different reasons. Yes. 295 00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:09.840 Do we need a vote on this, Ms. Wood? Yes, I would because it is deviating from city 296 00:26:09.840 --> 00:26:14.150 code. All right. Well, I'll personally make the motion to allow for this 297 00:26:14.150 --> 00:26:17.530 temporary parking for snow removal only without any use of salt. 298 00:26:18.570 --> 00:26:26.370 Just for winter. Emergency still removed. Yes. That's my motion. I'll second it. 299 00:26:26.910 --> 00:26:30.690 Motion by myself, seconded by Lundeen. All of the members say aye. Aye. Me opposed? 300 00:26:31.490 --> 00:26:34.730 Motion carries 5-0. Good discussion and thank you for coming. Hopefully that works 301 00:26:34.730 --> 00:26:42.100 out great for you. Alright, next we'll move on to business item K2. This is 302 00:26:42.100 --> 00:26:45.060 Woodland Park playground safety audit discussion. I believe this will be Josh. 303 00:26:47.720 --> 00:26:51.800 So while state law doesn't mandate a safety audit for a public park. 304 00:26:52.660 --> 00:26:56.620 But conducting one especially for playground equipment is standard municipal 305 00:26:56.620 --> 00:27:02.410 practice performing an initial audit by the certified playground safety inspector 306 00:27:02.410 --> 00:27:07.210 in terms of compliance with national safety standards and alliance with the 307 00:27:07.210 --> 00:27:13.420 union of minnesota city trust recommendations staff has received a 308 00:27:13.560 --> 00:27:16.620 safety audit for fifteen hundred dollars 309 00:27:18.310 --> 00:27:21.770 Just a discussion to see if you guys want to move forward with that or thoughts or 310 00:27:21.770 --> 00:27:26.790 concerns? So I had a question on that. You know, I talked to the LMC attorney's team 311 00:27:26.790 --> 00:27:30.550 about the playground stuff, and they told me that it's something like $300 typically 312 00:27:30.550 --> 00:27:36.330 for a safety inspection. Is this one more because it's bigger or there's just more 313 00:27:36.330 --> 00:27:43.350 uncommon elements, or have we gotten any other quotes on that? This was a local 314 00:27:43.350 --> 00:27:45.530 company that does their... 315 00:27:48.120 --> 00:27:52.100 Certified ASTM certified and they're going to do a full park inspection. I don't know 316 00:27:52.100 --> 00:27:57.200 if it's already a park that's up, if they can come in for $300 and just do a 317 00:27:57.470 --> 00:28:03.880 standard one for less. Could I request that you maybe reach out to the LMC legal 318 00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:07.620 team because they said they had resources on those certified playground inspection 319 00:28:07.620 --> 00:28:12.100 companies because I looked into it for those used playground sets. So maybe we 320 00:28:12.100 --> 00:28:15.460 could reach out to them and see if they have recommendations for a better price. 321 00:28:16.370 --> 00:28:25.620 That sounds fair. The Minnesota Recreation Park Association used to also carry a 322 00:28:25.620 --> 00:28:28.920 list, so that's another option to check into, too. Okay, yeah, I would look it up 323 00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:33.020 online and see if there's any other bids, because that bids substantially more than 324 00:28:33.020 --> 00:28:37.280 what the League of Minnesota City's parks people told us, or told me. 325 00:28:39.280 --> 00:28:43.420 There have been some talks in the past about doing other playgrounds in this same 326 00:28:43.420 --> 00:28:47.140 kind of vein and then we also have those other duty playground sets so i'm 327 00:28:47.140 --> 00:28:51.820 wondering if it would just be worthwhile just to get someone on who's able to do 328 00:28:51.820 --> 00:28:57.030 inspections internally so like maybe he's talking like training a public works 329 00:28:57.030 --> 00:29:04.370 person someone or certified off the park and recreation uh it's not going to want 330 00:29:04.370 --> 00:29:06.970 to do that but i know this board has been certified in the past 331 00:29:07.890 --> 00:29:11.950 But I'm not saying to put it back on our website. If we had one in the past, maybe 332 00:29:11.950 --> 00:29:16.130 it would be worthwhile doing it again. If we got at least three or more playgrounds 333 00:29:16.130 --> 00:29:21.950 that would be needing inspection, then it would be worth the cost also just to do it 334 00:29:21.950 --> 00:29:25.110 internally. Staff's thoughts on that idea? 335 00:29:27.180 --> 00:29:30.420 I believe it's a two-day course you can take, and then on the third day you take 336 00:29:30.420 --> 00:29:36.260 an exam at a testing facility. I believe I took my exam. I don't think I took the 337 00:29:36.260 --> 00:29:41.740 course, but I think I was able to take the exam. I think I did it in 2014. And you 338 00:29:41.740 --> 00:29:47.180 have to recertify and do some continuing ed, recertify every three years, I 339 00:29:47.180 --> 00:29:52.100 believe. I'm not sure if those requirements have changed, but roughly the 340 00:29:52.100 --> 00:29:52.560 course. 341 00:29:54.170 --> 00:29:59.710 We got a discount being a member of the Minnesota Park and Rec Association, so I'm 342 00:29:59.710 --> 00:30:03.610 not exactly sure the cost, but I think it's probably around that $500 to $700. 343 00:30:07.410 --> 00:30:12.550 And I do know a formally certified playgrounds park inspector that lives in 344 00:30:12.550 --> 00:30:15.470 the community that's involved with the playoffs and any stuff, I might be able to 345 00:30:15.470 --> 00:30:21.350 see if they would want or be able to do it too. So, you know, with the cost that LMC 346 00:30:21.350 --> 00:30:25.370 said around $300, I figured, well, but I don't know where those $1,500 stuff seems 347 00:30:25.370 --> 00:30:30.170 high. So, I don't know that having the staff do it, maybe it's worth it, I don't 348 00:30:30.170 --> 00:30:36.150 know. There's $300, I don't know, the cost was on the certification process, so. 349 00:30:36.650 --> 00:30:42.240 If there's something 300 or lower then we could also ask the league about if there's 350 00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:46.800 additional liability if the city does it and they are certified versus going with a 351 00:30:46.800 --> 00:30:51.880 hired contractor to do it we can ask that question too okay i think i suggest that 352 00:30:51.880 --> 00:30:58.700 he goes and looks into people functions your league can maybe look into being 353 00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:04.640 certified to do it and then you talk to the other guy i think that there's too 354 00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:07.820 many moving gears here to say 355 00:31:09.110 --> 00:31:16.290 Yep, I agree. I just feel, you know, public works, if we have a public works 356 00:31:16.290 --> 00:31:20.750 person do it, they get paid for certifications, they get paid increase for 357 00:31:20.750 --> 00:31:29.790 it, so it may not be as beneficial to spend that money at that point, because 358 00:31:29.790 --> 00:31:30.310 that's... 359 00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:35.340 It's not they don't just get that pay bump just for when they want to expect it's 360 00:31:35.340 --> 00:31:42.620 throughout the year so it's you know i think we're asking spending more money on 361 00:31:42.760 --> 00:31:48.420 your employees when where they could be able to win their job rather than going on 362 00:31:48.420 --> 00:31:54.420 looking at parking on it josh yeah a lot of this is obviously if we were going to 363 00:31:54.420 --> 00:31:58.580 do it we'd go get other quotes but is do you want us to get it done 364 00:31:59.470 --> 00:32:04.610 And then basically the resolution would say, yep, Public Works built a park. We 365 00:32:04.610 --> 00:32:09.890 would get it certified. If we built more parks, we would certify it. And we'd 366 00:32:09.890 --> 00:32:14.410 obviously get quotes and compare and go with the cheapest quote like we always do. 367 00:32:14.610 --> 00:32:20.050 Okay. I would motion that we go ahead with it, but we're not, I don't want to enter 368 00:32:20.050 --> 00:32:24.570 into any contract at this point. Yeah, that's just one quote. I think it would be 369 00:32:24.570 --> 00:32:26.870 a ballpark. I mean, we need to further. 370 00:32:27.310 --> 00:32:32.740 I think i think if we get certified as it's safe i think that helps insurance way 371 00:32:32.740 --> 00:32:39.200 less liability yeah liabilities it's 100 liability and i'm always a person i stay 372 00:32:39.200 --> 00:32:47.520 away from liability you know so i i make a motion that we look in doing that making 373 00:32:47.520 --> 00:32:52.000 that uh i don't know you want to call it a uh past resolution 374 00:32:54.070 --> 00:33:02.260 To do an annual or biannual certification on the park. 375 00:33:15.010 --> 00:33:20.570 Well, so how it works with our trust insurance, I ask this question. Basically, 376 00:33:20.730 --> 00:33:25.110 we have an umbrella policy that covers any sort of injury that's out there. And the 377 00:33:25.110 --> 00:33:29.070 only way we would ever be held responsible is if we're notified in writing that 378 00:33:29.070 --> 00:33:31.790 there's an issue at a park and we're negligent and don't fix it. 379 00:33:32.080 --> 00:33:36.760 Um otherwise there's a car bought in there for accidental things this stuff fails i 380 00:33:36.760 --> 00:33:39.640 mean you can't protect against everything so that's covered in our umbrella 381 00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:45.620 insurance i would think we should put it on a rotation even be every three years 382 00:33:45.620 --> 00:33:51.680 every five years it's just something that i think our parks our public work staff 383 00:33:51.680 --> 00:33:56.040 does do that stuff already you know they can tell if the board's rotten like it's 384 00:33:56.040 --> 00:33:57.820 we do a monthly inspection 385 00:33:58.450 --> 00:34:04.210 Is it monthly monthly or yearly inspection on it now but we're not certified but like 386 00:34:04.210 --> 00:34:10.860 i said technically doesn't mandate this to be certified it's not required it's just 387 00:34:11.660 --> 00:34:16.540 liability but jess you're just talking about this one part correct because you 388 00:34:16.540 --> 00:34:20.920 guys a lot of this resolution me in fact i think because if the city builds the park 389 00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:25.460 like public works yeah it might be one we for sure we want to do so like i was 390 00:34:25.460 --> 00:34:29.340 saying that it's that if we build a park or put up used equipment 391 00:34:38.130 --> 00:34:45.970 We can amend the resolution of what the motion is if that does pass. Just that 392 00:34:45.970 --> 00:34:51.910 anything that is built by Public Works will be inspected and we'll get low as 393 00:34:51.910 --> 00:34:59.760 close as we can. Or possibly be trained in house. That sounds good so there's a 394 00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:00.360 motion on the floor. 395 00:35:01.900 --> 00:35:05.860 Second. Motion by Lundeen. Second by Pedersen. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any 396 00:35:05.860 --> 00:35:11.540 opposed? Motion carries 5-0. Next, request for public use of facility for hearing 397 00:35:11.540 --> 00:35:15.600 test discussion. So this was something that I added to the agenda. I know Ms. 398 00:35:15.700 --> 00:35:19.340 Elaine Fischer wanted to have a discussion on this, so you're welcome to come on 399 00:35:19.340 --> 00:35:23.500 forward and just state your name and address for the record and give us an idea 400 00:35:23.500 --> 00:35:24.380 of what you're looking for, Elaine. 401 00:35:26.770 --> 00:35:30.890 I'm Elaine Fischer and I live at [residential address omitted] and I'm here 402 00:35:30.890 --> 00:35:36.210 representing the Isanti Lions who have been serving your community for over 50 403 00:35:36.210 --> 00:35:43.290 years. We have just added a new service project which is hearing for the community 404 00:35:43.290 --> 00:35:50.330 and I'm here to ask since the Friends of the Library are no longer in the City Hall 405 00:35:50.330 --> 00:35:50.810 building 406 00:35:51.630 --> 00:35:57.970 That would be a room that Isanti Lions could use once or twice a month on a given 407 00:35:57.970 --> 00:36:05.470 day, which works with city staff for us to come in, whether we come in 9 to 3, 9 to 408 00:36:05.470 --> 00:36:11.030 noon, 1 to 3, or whatever. It's just an opportunity that we want to take advantage 409 00:36:11.030 --> 00:36:17.970 of when we have the hearing equipment to serve our community, because I really 410 00:36:17.970 --> 00:36:19.850 believe that the need is out there. 411 00:36:21.450 --> 00:36:27.810 We've already done three events, but we're looking to have it someplace where we have 412 00:36:27.810 --> 00:36:28.710 the traffic flow. 413 00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:35.920 So i personally think it's a good idea um and i don't know what what staff thinks 414 00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:40.900 about it is that room is there anything in that that one particular room that can't 415 00:36:40.900 --> 00:36:45.480 be used by the public or any reason that that room couldn't be used i know we use 416 00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:48.540 it once in a while for for meetings and obviously you have to kind of schedule 417 00:36:48.540 --> 00:36:51.680 around that or have some sort of consistent schedule like maybe the first 418 00:36:51.680 --> 00:36:53.520 wednesday of the month or whatever type of thing 419 00:36:54.890 --> 00:36:59.830 So we do have it set up for like a meeting space it's got tables chairs and we do 420 00:36:59.830 --> 00:37:04.910 have the ability to lock it from the inside staff ways so people in that room 421 00:37:04.910 --> 00:37:10.850 can't get into the unaccessed unauthorized access area i don't foresee an issue with 422 00:37:10.850 --> 00:37:13.290 that but we should establish a policy 423 00:37:13.950 --> 00:37:18.150 We don't have a policy currently in place for that room. We do have a policy which 424 00:37:18.150 --> 00:37:23.250 had been amended in 2021 for the chambers to not be used by the public. So it's kind 425 00:37:23.250 --> 00:37:27.910 of gone back and forth. They can be used, but only during the daytime, not to cause 426 00:37:27.910 --> 00:37:33.010 a burden on staff. So I think it's definitely doable, but I do recommend that 427 00:37:33.010 --> 00:37:36.490 the city establish a policy because if you do it for one group, if this is a 428 00:37:36.490 --> 00:37:41.150 nonprofit group, it'd be difficult to say other nonprofit groups can do it for the 429 00:37:41.150 --> 00:37:41.830 same reason. 430 00:37:43.470 --> 00:37:49.160 Or you would need to establish that this was maybe the one exception you're going 431 00:37:49.160 --> 00:37:52.640 to make, and the policy would say such that because of the parameters that you're 432 00:37:52.640 --> 00:37:56.750 identifying. Right. And it's a community good for a space that might not 433 00:37:56.750 --> 00:38:02.370 necessarily always be used. So I think there's a good use for that there. It 434 00:38:02.370 --> 00:38:05.730 previously had been used for the library for years, and then the library had the 435 00:38:05.730 --> 00:38:07.630 funding reduced, so they pulled that out of here. 436 00:38:10.090 --> 00:38:14.010 Guess i'm okay with it personally i think it's a good thing to use the space that we 437 00:38:14.010 --> 00:38:18.690 have now whether we want it would we prefer to be in here i don't know if that 438 00:38:18.690 --> 00:38:22.490 would be easier or if you prefer what do you think this would be in here or over in 439 00:38:22.490 --> 00:38:27.830 that other office space or i apologize how often was it once or twice a month or 440 00:38:27.830 --> 00:38:30.110 whatever works for you um 441 00:38:31.410 --> 00:38:35.330 I would say that typically when Ms. Hillesheim is doing her developmental 442 00:38:35.330 --> 00:38:39.070 meetings and developer meetings for different project-related things, those 443 00:38:39.110 --> 00:38:43.730 typically happen on a Tuesday. As long as it doesn't fall on a Tuesday, because 444 00:38:43.870 --> 00:38:48.030 those can get very busy for meetings in there, I don't foresee an issue with it 445 00:38:48.030 --> 00:38:53.370 being out there and that it's maybe private. You know, I don't know. It really 446 00:38:53.370 --> 00:38:57.350 doesn't matter. It could be in here as well if that's what the policy stated. It 447 00:38:57.350 --> 00:38:58.930 doesn't really matter, whatever. 448 00:38:59.690 --> 00:39:03.790 Is easiest for the group of whatever the council decides. I make a motion that we 449 00:39:03.790 --> 00:39:11.060 allow them to use the old library area space, not conflicting with Stephanie's 450 00:39:12.450 --> 00:39:19.950 planning meetings. Any meetings that would have to be all scheduled. I'd say yes, 451 00:39:19.950 --> 00:39:24.470 let's change our ordinance on that. I think if I could draft a policy and bring 452 00:39:24.470 --> 00:39:28.970 it back to the next council meeting, assuming I have time, or at least... 453 00:39:29.710 --> 00:39:34.990 By the meeting in December. Just because, so I would have time to research, make 454 00:39:34.990 --> 00:39:39.830 sure that we can't exclude any groups that may be of very similar nature or something 455 00:39:39.830 --> 00:39:43.570 like that. So I think to like draft that and get that before the council before we 456 00:39:43.570 --> 00:39:45.010 make a potential motion. 457 00:39:47.160 --> 00:40:06.880 [A council member described the benefit of Lions school vision screenings. A child's 458 00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:11.000 health details are omitted.] 459 00:40:12.020 --> 00:40:17.540 [Vision-screening example continues.] So the idea that we could maybe give this to 460 00:40:17.540 --> 00:40:20.080 the community as well, you know. 461 00:40:26.590 --> 00:40:30.610 Eileen, if you could send me details on it, just send me an email with that. I'll 462 00:40:30.610 --> 00:40:35.570 get that drafted up. Okay, I appreciate it. And another thought, I want to thank 463 00:40:35.570 --> 00:40:43.570 you for allowing us to put the canister out in your canister window there. In the 464 00:40:43.570 --> 00:40:47.850 community of Isanti, we've picked up over 700 pairs of glasses. 465 00:40:48.330 --> 00:40:52.530 And I'm sorry to say we get more at the liquor store than we do at City Mall, but 466 00:40:52.530 --> 00:40:59.290 they're all grateful. And the last week in September, we had lions, 11 lions from 467 00:40:59.290 --> 00:41:05.870 Minnesota that took eyeglasses out to the Pine Ridge Reservation in South Dakota. 468 00:41:06.070 --> 00:41:11.850 And in February, we'll be sending another delegation from Minnesota and Wisconsin to 469 00:41:11.850 --> 00:41:16.930 Guatemala. So those glasses are really put to use, and you wouldn't believe. 470 00:41:17.890 --> 00:41:24.290 The feedback we get for servicing those people. Awesome. Also, I want to thank you 471 00:41:24.290 --> 00:41:27.570 guys for the bench at the New Woodland Park with the Lions logo on it. That was 472 00:41:27.570 --> 00:41:32.000 pretty cool to see out there. We were just unfortunate that it was probably in 473 00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:37.880 storage for a year and a half, two years. But we were glad to do it. Awesome. Thank 474 00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:39.300 you. Thank you. Thank you. 475 00:41:41.240 --> 00:41:45.020 All right, we'll move on to item K-4, resolution to consider approving a request 476 00:41:45.020 --> 00:41:49.020 for angle parking abutting 1st Avenue Northwest. Stephanie. Good evening, Mayor 477 00:41:49.180 --> 00:41:54.820 and Council. The new owners, which is here tonight, of 104 Main Street West, are 478 00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:58.460 putting the finishing touches on their buildup for the Creamery Kitchen and 479 00:41:58.460 --> 00:42:03.140 Taphouse. And as part of that, I'm sure you all remember the angle parking that 480 00:42:03.140 --> 00:42:08.240 used to occur regularly just across the street here. In our ordinance, it 481 00:42:08.240 --> 00:42:10.590 specifically states that... 482 00:42:10.590 --> 00:42:13.990 Angled parking abutting the street is permitted specifically along First Avenue 483 00:42:13.990 --> 00:42:18.490 Northwest and Southwest, subject to the final approval of council. And so just to 484 00:42:18.490 --> 00:42:23.670 make sure all of our i's are dotted and our t's are crossed, we're going to have 485 00:42:23.670 --> 00:42:27.990 you guys look at this again for this new restaurant, just to make sure it's 486 00:42:27.990 --> 00:42:33.510 approved and you're okay with it. Myself, Public Services Director Becker and 487 00:42:33.510 --> 00:42:39.230 Engineer Cook went out there and met with [name unclear] to... 488 00:42:40.020 --> 00:42:44.900 Look at the layout just to make sure that it was going to be safe and still met some 489 00:42:44.900 --> 00:42:52.740 of our standards. And our engineer who likes to work with us and be flexible did 490 00:42:52.740 --> 00:43:00.060 state that he thought that 45 degree parking along there would be feasible as 491 00:43:00.060 --> 00:43:04.800 long as a few things are met. And so the applicant did provide us with a great 492 00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:09.160 diagram here. The recommendation is for 45 degree parking. 493 00:43:09.620 --> 00:43:13.980 To meet our standards for 45 degree parking which are set within our ordinance 494 00:43:13.980 --> 00:43:20.880 and so just have a 12-foot curve length and for a nine-foot standard stall width 495 00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:26.240 that's the standard set in our ordinance and then no more than up to no more than 496 00:43:26.240 --> 00:43:30.140 five feet into the right away of the diagonal line and so 497 00:43:31.220 --> 00:43:36.180 It can go into the right of way back deep then also outlined within the resolution 498 00:43:36.180 --> 00:43:40.460 is just the maintenance agreement and we discussed the city maintaining the right 499 00:43:40.460 --> 00:43:46.630 of way as we normally do and we did discuss that the second public service 500 00:43:46.630 --> 00:43:51.770 director record can go into it more in detail but removing the work at the second 501 00:43:51.770 --> 00:43:56.670 pass through to clean up as they do and then the Creamery Kitchen and Taphouse 502 00:43:56.670 --> 00:44:03.170 taking care of their property on the area for clowning as well any questions 503 00:44:03.920 --> 00:44:10.370 I have no parking as long as I can remember. So I have absolutely zero 504 00:44:10.370 --> 00:44:14.830 problems with it. Josh or Travis, do you have any concerns? You looked at this, I 505 00:44:14.830 --> 00:44:17.470 assume. I mean, you guys have been around long enough to remember when it was like 506 00:44:17.470 --> 00:44:22.230 that before, too. Yeah, no concerns for me. We'll end up plowing it the same as 507 00:44:22.230 --> 00:44:29.400 always. Years ago, we plowed it the same, but it was angle parking then. Yep. Chief, 508 00:44:29.560 --> 00:44:29.780 same. 509 00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:36.980 Yeah, there's no concerns. Okay. Motion to approve it. I'll second. Motion by 510 00:44:36.980 --> 00:44:43.220 Lundeen, second by myself. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries 511 00:44:43.220 --> 00:44:47.020 5-0. Thank you, Nick. That's exciting. Thank you, staff, for looking at that. 512 00:44:47.020 --> 00:44:52.550 Next we will move on to item five, a resolution to consider approving the 513 00:44:52.550 --> 00:44:54.990 seasonal placement of a handicap-accessible portable restroom at 514 00:44:54.990 --> 00:44:56.690 Bluebird Park for the winter months. 515 00:44:57.680 --> 00:45:02.060 Good evening again um due to the continued and year-round public use of the park 516 00:45:02.060 --> 00:45:06.120 thanks to the sledding hill and other great amenities for the winter out there 517 00:45:06.120 --> 00:45:12.300 um i know you guys had directed staff previously just to look into the 518 00:45:12.300 --> 00:45:16.860 feasibility of maintaining one of our port properties in the park for the winter 519 00:45:16.860 --> 00:45:21.480 season and so we did some research on that and keeping it handicap accessible 520 00:45:22.140 --> 00:45:27.920 Um toilet out there throughout the season which would be to be along the side of the 521 00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:33.220 um amphitheater just for so it doesn't get blown over we know the winds and winter 522 00:45:33.220 --> 00:45:38.640 can be a little gusty around here in that part um but to maintain it there will be 523 00:45:38.640 --> 00:45:44.320 about 90 per month our average for the rest of the year is 60 per month but due 524 00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:50.180 to the anna freeze required and such um during our strong winters um it's just 525 00:45:50.490 --> 00:45:58.650 Takes them more um solution um to maintain it throughout the season and we'll still 526 00:45:58.650 --> 00:46:02.930 provide access as we always do it doesn't really um act they're already following 527 00:46:02.930 --> 00:46:07.150 the paths and we'll have it adjacent to that path as well so we did work that out 528 00:46:09.750 --> 00:46:14.410 And I will say that $90 a month is still a very good bargain even for summer months 529 00:46:14.410 --> 00:46:20.830 on that style of port-a-potty. So I think it's a good deal. I think it makes sense 530 00:46:20.830 --> 00:46:23.290 right there. It's used for illuminated sanding and that's letting go. 531 00:46:27.390 --> 00:46:31.630 What months are we talking? So just maintaining it through the rest of the 532 00:46:31.630 --> 00:46:36.530 year. So usually the port bodies go out from this time of year. They're gone. 533 00:46:36.770 --> 00:46:41.430 Yeah, they left like a week ago. Yes, and so we just missed it by the way. So if 534 00:46:41.430 --> 00:46:46.730 approved, then we'll have it brought back up until this one. So we'll just fill that 535 00:46:46.730 --> 00:46:51.010 gap. Will it be located by sledding hill or the way around it? Yep, on the west 536 00:46:51.010 --> 00:46:52.270 side of the amphitheater. 537 00:46:57.680 --> 00:47:02.550 On the third half or third avenue side yeah but that's where all the trees are or 538 00:47:02.550 --> 00:47:10.530 will it just be it'll it'll be accessible along the path over on that side it's just 539 00:47:10.530 --> 00:47:20.020 filled it's all filled right now yeah with lights right so where would it go um isn't 540 00:47:20.020 --> 00:47:25.840 it already over there did they fill oh he was gonna drop it off i think it i think 541 00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:28.780 there's one over there on some that actually on the east side 542 00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:34.340 I think it's there. He said he's going to drop it off. I talked to him today or 543 00:47:34.340 --> 00:47:41.040 yesterday. Where is it? It's on the east side of the empty. Right by the pool sheds 544 00:47:41.040 --> 00:47:45.180 where people are going to sell their stuff right next to them. No. It's a ways away 545 00:47:45.180 --> 00:47:46.320 from now. I think it's on the sidewalk. 546 00:47:48.010 --> 00:47:52.970 Kind of where the trailer was, probably. We can move it to wherever you guys want. 547 00:47:54.750 --> 00:47:59.530 Okay, perfect. I'd like to make a motion. [Brief crosstalk.] Motion from Hemen, 548 00:47:59.830 --> 00:48:04.210 second from Zdon. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries 5-0. 549 00:48:04.690 --> 00:48:10.150 Next, item six, resolution to consider a request by Delightful Acres Weddings and 550 00:48:10.150 --> 00:48:15.110 Events to consider approval of a conditional use permit for 27600 Polk 551 00:48:15.110 --> 00:48:15.610 Street Northeast. 552 00:48:16.430 --> 00:48:20.990 Good evening again. Delightful Acres has submitted their conditional use permit. It 553 00:48:20.990 --> 00:48:21.730 was recently... 554 00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:28.500 Reviewed at public hearing by the planning commission and recommended for approval to 555 00:48:28.500 --> 00:48:33.280 move forward for this restaurant application they're going to be using it 556 00:48:33.280 --> 00:48:37.940 specifically at this time for mobile bartending services or for bartending 557 00:48:37.940 --> 00:48:41.480 services are relying on mobile units right now to do that and so this will allow them 558 00:48:41.480 --> 00:48:48.200 to offer the services directly themselves and the findings of fact and site map are 559 00:48:48.200 --> 00:48:49.300 all within the packet 560 00:48:49.730 --> 00:48:53.430 And this is as presented to the Planning Commission, correct? Correct. Okay, great. 561 00:48:53.430 --> 00:48:56.630 This is a great opportunity for this business. They've been wanting to do this 562 00:48:56.630 --> 00:49:00.310 for a while, so I'm happy to see us talking about it, provide another service 563 00:49:00.310 --> 00:49:05.470 for their facility, which is awesome. That means they're going to have to get their 564 00:49:05.470 --> 00:49:10.650 own liquor license? Yes, that would be the next step. I make a motion to approve it 565 00:49:10.650 --> 00:49:15.130 as long as they get their own liquor license. [Brief crosstalk.] All that has 566 00:49:15.130 --> 00:49:16.750 to be approved before they can. 567 00:49:20.690 --> 00:49:26.070 Motion from Lundeen, second by Hemen. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion 568 00:49:26.070 --> 00:49:31.630 carries 5-0. Next item K.7, resolution to consider a request by Capstone Homes for 569 00:49:31.630 --> 00:49:33.290 annexation by property owner [continues]. 570 00:49:38.890 --> 00:49:43.470 Um there's a request by capstone homes for annexation by property home owner petition 571 00:49:43.470 --> 00:49:52.570 and zoning map amendment located at pid 050210102 prior for incorporation into the 572 00:49:52.570 --> 00:49:57.390 plans Sanbrook Greens development it's a very northern parcel on the east side of 573 00:49:57.390 --> 00:50:02.490 their development and it's um as part of their purchase and so it's the only parcel 574 00:50:02.490 --> 00:50:05.890 that's not within city limits it actually is an interesting parcel 575 00:50:06.410 --> 00:50:17.940 Because it's connected to one of the or no but it is an interesting person so it will 576 00:50:17.940 --> 00:50:22.060 be zoned as the rest is our one single family residential most of it will be 577 00:50:22.060 --> 00:50:30.260 backyards and this was as presented at planning commission as well yes this was 578 00:50:30.260 --> 00:50:34.440 also recommended for approval by the planning commission at the public hearing 579 00:50:36.680 --> 00:50:41.780 Motion to approve. Motion by Lundeen, second by Hemen. All in favor say aye. 580 00:50:41.780 --> 00:50:48.640 Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries 5-0. Next resolution, or item eight, sorry, K.8, 581 00:50:48.640 --> 00:50:53.240 Moir Park playground removal quote discussion. Mr. Becker. Good evening, 582 00:50:53.890 --> 00:50:59.250 Mayor and Council. I have a couple of quotes for the removal of the Moir 583 00:50:59.250 --> 00:50:59.750 playground. 584 00:51:01.970 --> 00:51:07.050 I got them right here to hand it out. Staff received two, one from Boyer 585 00:51:07.050 --> 00:51:13.590 companies in the amount of $10,100. The second quote was in safety first in the 586 00:51:13.590 --> 00:51:22.320 amount of $9,446.30. Staff also asked for reinstallation estimates. 587 00:51:25.160 --> 00:51:31.840 Our companies did not quote that. They didn't want to do that. Safety First did 588 00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:41.770 give us a quote. If we did it in the year 2026, it was $14,851. And if we didn't do 589 00:51:41.770 --> 00:51:48.890 it in 26, they gave us a quote for $19,851. They also did say that the 590 00:51:48.890 --> 00:51:54.130 estimate wasn't good to reinstall it if they didn't do the removal on it. 591 00:52:00.850 --> 00:52:05.110 And this is a thing that, you know, we got the park. I was able to negotiate the 592 00:52:05.110 --> 00:52:10.510 parks, the two place structures for free. And I know that with the Bauer company's 593 00:52:10.510 --> 00:52:15.690 quote, there was $1,500 there for, like, transportation. And Josh Becker and I have 594 00:52:15.690 --> 00:52:20.630 talked about if we do it that way and we have public works reassemble these parks, 595 00:52:20.650 --> 00:52:25.430 that the public works employee would probably be down there with our trail and 596 00:52:25.430 --> 00:52:28.210 they just transport stuff back for three days or whatever it takes. 597 00:52:29.230 --> 00:52:33.450 Remove those items that way that public works employee would know how they go back 598 00:52:33.450 --> 00:52:39.610 together kind of be able to overwatch that i know there was some desire i made a post 599 00:52:39.610 --> 00:52:43.610 about this and there was some desire for a couple local local people to help put this 600 00:52:43.610 --> 00:52:48.050 back together there were a couple people that had some experience with putting 601 00:52:48.050 --> 00:52:52.070 these together that were interested in potentially helping out and being involved 602 00:52:52.070 --> 00:52:54.870 with this as a you know community type of event 603 00:52:55.670 --> 00:53:00.490 So there's that option as well uh there's a few different ideas and concepts and 604 00:53:00.590 --> 00:53:13.710 open to discussion or ideas yeah that's what we discussed i just i can't see 605 00:53:13.710 --> 00:53:20.010 public works because their time involved in that isn't going to be 14 000 right 606 00:53:20.010 --> 00:53:22.610 plus you knock out another 1400 607 00:53:24.560 --> 00:53:29.340 Actually, if you less than that, you take it off 1,500 plus 1,400 because their 608 00:53:29.340 --> 00:53:37.130 other goal was 94 or 46. So you knock out $3,000 off of it. You know, I mean, if you 609 00:53:37.130 --> 00:53:45.620 look at it, that's $3,000 less than safety first, roughly. I'm comparing safety first 610 00:53:45.620 --> 00:53:52.100 to the dollar. So you knock out $1,500 off of that. That's the value down to, what, 611 00:53:52.100 --> 00:53:52.620 $6,500? 612 00:53:53.560 --> 00:54:00.660 To be 8600 so it's a 8 000 base um 1500 for removal and 600 for disposal concrete 613 00:54:00.660 --> 00:54:06.100 concrete so that's the ten thousand dollars so the total price of gear on 8600 614 00:54:06.100 --> 00:54:10.200 if our public works staff transports it kind of like we had discussed well that's 615 00:54:10.200 --> 00:54:13.720 all it gets me in trouble because i see it four thousand dollars right that's what 616 00:54:13.720 --> 00:54:18.120 i'm looking at as a quote that's misconsuming that's why i highlighted the 617 00:54:18.120 --> 00:54:22.140 10 100 because it's kind of confusing right yep so really we are 618 00:54:22.660 --> 00:54:31.230 Comparing the $10,100 to the $9,446.30. However, Bauer is willing to allow Public 619 00:54:31.230 --> 00:54:36.590 Works to haul it back and save that cost. That brings it down to $8,000. 620 00:54:42.640 --> 00:54:48.000 We have to have it's down in bloomington so to haul that concrete back it'd be 621 00:54:48.000 --> 00:54:54.480 pretty it's not worth it i think yeah i don't think it's worth it and there is a 622 00:54:54.480 --> 00:54:59.680 price on the safety first one they gave a price for hauling it too by saving as well 623 00:54:59.680 --> 00:55:03.880 so i mean not that i want to go down to bloomington and 624 00:55:16.100 --> 00:55:20.520 But for the labor of public works, how long do you anticipate or would you 625 00:55:20.520 --> 00:55:25.420 anticipate two guys or four guys? I don't know how many you send down there to 626 00:55:25.420 --> 00:55:26.240 dismantle it. 627 00:55:26.500 --> 00:55:30.400 No well they'd disappear so i would probably just send one guy one guy to 628 00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:35.240 watch and i think they figured it'd be three or four days to tear down and then 629 00:55:35.240 --> 00:55:39.920 each day he could bring a load back was kind of a thought if we are going to do it 630 00:55:41.580 --> 00:55:47.360 But I do know that I know it's $14,000 is a lot of money to put the park up, but 631 00:55:48.120 --> 00:55:54.540 public works time adds up too. And then it also puts us behind, like Women's Park did 632 00:55:54.540 --> 00:55:59.380 put us behind on a lot of our everyday stuff that we did catch up on to get back. 633 00:56:00.080 --> 00:56:04.200 I'm not saying we can't do it or anything like that, but it's some consideration. 634 00:56:05.600 --> 00:56:07.000 This time of year. 635 00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:13.160 You wouldn't be putting it up this year. So it would be $19,000, not $14,000. So 636 00:56:13.160 --> 00:56:18.820 you're talking, I mean, that'd be over 200 hours of public works time to cover that 637 00:56:18.820 --> 00:56:25.790 cost. And I think if you have somebody that has somewhat knowledge of doing this, 638 00:56:25.790 --> 00:56:33.110 even being a gopher for public works, just being a gopher, you know, hold this ranch, 639 00:56:33.250 --> 00:56:39.430 grab me this, whatever, that saves them time as well. That's just the way I look 640 00:56:39.430 --> 00:56:39.730 at it. 641 00:56:42.220 --> 00:56:47.200 Do you have time to do this project well it's just like woodland park you do it 642 00:56:47.200 --> 00:56:56.250 when you have time but if you guys said we want this part put in in june or july i 643 00:56:56.480 --> 00:57:04.730 think so this park equipment is going to sit outside basically like woodland when 644 00:57:04.730 --> 00:57:08.390 we really had the time was after like jubilee days and all that 645 00:57:09.710 --> 00:57:14.290 And I anticipate that we could find volunteers. So I think, in my opinion, we 646 00:57:14.290 --> 00:57:18.270 have the first step, which is the removal and the getting it here. We have, you 647 00:57:18.270 --> 00:57:20.930 know, we need to get this stuff here. It needs to be out of that site before 648 00:57:20.930 --> 00:57:26.390 winter. That was part of the stipulation with getting that park stuff donated. Now, 649 00:57:26.390 --> 00:57:30.190 I don't think there's any way we reinstall it in 2026. We haven't talked about it 650 00:57:30.190 --> 00:57:32.990 with park board where it would go. So I don't think, I think that's off the table. 651 00:57:33.450 --> 00:57:36.110 But I think we get it here with the removal. 652 00:57:37.020 --> 00:57:40.220 Do the transport with the public works person. So that way, worst case, if we do 653 00:57:40.220 --> 00:57:43.540 have public works do it when they have time, like we do with Woodland, would end 654 00:57:43.540 --> 00:57:47.640 up working out pretty good. At least they know how it goes Camp Hart type of thing. 655 00:57:48.200 --> 00:57:52.380 Also, we did talk about, you know, the potential for reimbursement from the park 656 00:57:52.380 --> 00:57:56.380 dedication funds for the reinstall of the new park. So that will go back into the 657 00:57:56.380 --> 00:58:01.060 general fund. So that would offset the tax cost of these, so those employees are 658 00:58:01.060 --> 00:58:04.440 going to be directly from the park fund because you're paying, you're doing a park 659 00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:04.860 service. 660 00:58:05.990 --> 00:58:10.950 So that's another potential option for that. I have a huge concern with them 661 00:58:10.950 --> 00:58:15.750 taking it down and then waiting six to eight months to reinstall it. And also the 662 00:58:15.750 --> 00:58:20.690 fact that it would be sitting outside, I'm assuming. All the equipment. I mean, I 663 00:58:20.690 --> 00:58:25.680 know it's outside. I know it's outside thing, but I know how I am. And if I learn 664 00:58:25.680 --> 00:58:31.630 something new, I need to use it, wait eight months. I don't know what other 665 00:58:31.630 --> 00:58:34.070 options we have. Either that or we just don't do it. 666 00:58:35.670 --> 00:58:39.290 I don't think it's going to be rocket science. You don't think that, but I put 667 00:58:39.290 --> 00:58:43.690 together two parts. We put together the one on South Passage, and I put together 668 00:58:43.690 --> 00:58:54.540 the one on HELOC with my entire family. It's just a lot of pieces. A lot. I'm not 669 00:58:54.540 --> 00:58:57.780 opposed to it. I think it's a great deal. I think we found a really good thing. I'm 670 00:58:57.780 --> 00:58:58.280 just saying. 671 00:58:59.590 --> 00:59:03.090 You're asking someone who doesn't have a ton of time and then you're also saying 672 00:59:03.090 --> 00:59:05.970 when you take this apart don't forget about it when you do it in eight months 673 00:59:05.970 --> 00:59:09.670 and then two weeks later you come back out and then two weeks later we have time and 674 00:59:09.670 --> 00:59:16.190 then two weeks later. It took how long to make Bill Woodland? It was around 1,500 675 00:59:16.190 --> 00:59:25.880 hours. And you started collecting things from start to finish was a year and a 676 00:59:25.880 --> 00:59:29.000 half. You collected things over the winter, built some things over the winter. 677 00:59:30.360 --> 00:59:32.000 And we told him there was no rush. 678 00:59:33.650 --> 00:59:38.490 As you have time. I don't think this park is going to take 30 minutes. No. It should 679 00:59:38.490 --> 00:59:44.090 be 60 to 120 hours. I guess I wasn't asking for hours. I was asking how did it 680 00:59:44.090 --> 00:59:48.910 fit into your schedule. Well, it affects the schedule some. That's what I was 681 00:59:48.910 --> 00:59:52.710 saying. Like when we're doing, obviously, Woodland Park was way bigger, but it puts 682 00:59:52.710 --> 00:59:58.810 me a lot of the jetting and the clean cleanup and the stuff that we would be 683 00:59:58.810 --> 01:00:06.200 doing in that time puts us behind. I don't know what schedule. We fit it all in. 684 01:00:13.720 --> 01:00:15.920 [Speech unclear.] 685 01:00:33.130 --> 01:00:36.830 And i like i said i anticipate that we could have volunteers help with this i 686 01:00:36.830 --> 01:00:40.910 mean there's all sorts of communities that do these types of reconstruction i mean 687 01:00:40.910 --> 01:00:44.150 we've had two parts here in the city by standing like you just mentioned so i 688 01:00:44.150 --> 01:00:47.610 think it's doable i think i don't think rebuilding it is difficult i'm more 689 01:00:47.610 --> 01:00:51.930 concerned about we're sending someone down there to watch it to be part of it but 690 01:00:51.930 --> 01:00:56.250 then to sit on that knowledge for maybe eight months or more i think it's 691 01:00:56.250 --> 01:00:59.230 concerning but there i would hope that they would 692 01:00:59.740 --> 01:01:04.360 Tag or labels. Thank you. Thank you. He said he tags and bags and labels 693 01:01:04.360 --> 01:01:07.780 everything so it's correspondingly. Part A goes with part A and you go in there. 694 01:01:07.860 --> 01:01:11.480 That's not Costco. It was Little Tights, right? What's that? It was Little Tights. 695 01:01:11.560 --> 01:01:16.800 It is a Little Tights Playgrounds too. It should be. It should be. You can get 696 01:01:16.800 --> 01:01:24.490 support. You can find instructions. It should be reinventing anything. We've got 697 01:01:24.490 --> 01:01:28.350 to get this thing out of there if we haven't decided. I think any way you look 698 01:01:28.350 --> 01:01:31.330 at it, I think our better bet is to have all the companies. 699 01:01:32.470 --> 01:01:34.470 [Speech unclear.] 700 01:01:37.970 --> 01:01:42.490 And even if, so if we send a public works person down there, we're saving $1,500 701 01:01:42.490 --> 01:01:46.950 off. So that time, say if they do it, you know, three eight-hour days, 24 hours, 702 01:01:46.950 --> 01:01:52.110 you're still ahead on the $1,500 saved. So even if you send a guy down there and 703 01:01:52.110 --> 01:01:55.050 you're just transporting stuff, you're still ahead. And they don't have the 704 01:01:55.050 --> 01:01:59.030 knowledge of how it came apart. Are we in depth, though, if, I mean, two or three 705 01:01:59.030 --> 01:02:02.590 days where they're driving down there and then you have time to be out doing their 706 01:02:02.590 --> 01:02:04.510 job, like, is that actually coming out ahead? 707 01:02:05.140 --> 01:02:10.040 Yeah, well, we could also, like I talked about, potentially take from, you can 708 01:02:10.040 --> 01:02:13.660 allocate from the park dedication fund. We talked about this with Woodland Park in 709 01:02:13.660 --> 01:02:17.840 the past, too. If they put all that time in, that's time that was associated with 710 01:02:17.840 --> 01:02:21.700 building the park. So that could be then brought back from the park fund into the 711 01:02:21.700 --> 01:02:25.920 general fund so that it would actually pay for that employee's time for that park 712 01:02:25.920 --> 01:02:30.020 through the park dedication dollars, not through taxpayer money. Could that be true 713 01:02:30.020 --> 01:02:33.340 for the dollar, too, if they transport? That would be park dedication. 714 01:02:33.850 --> 01:02:38.310 Right yeah so i just don't know if it would be worth the the cost savings of 715 01:02:38.310 --> 01:02:46.910 having them play dry out three or four times but then they have the knowledge of 716 01:02:46.910 --> 01:02:53.830 how camp park so that's but that is the question it's all label tag bag and 717 01:02:54.160 --> 01:03:04.990 standard equipment set that's not unique or anything what do you what do you feel 718 01:03:04.990 --> 01:03:06.310 would be more advantageous 719 01:03:06.990 --> 01:03:13.390 Well, Safety First builds playgrounds, and I think their price is pretty good with 720 01:03:13.390 --> 01:03:20.560 the removal of everything. It's, what, almost $1,000 cheaper. They would deliver 721 01:03:20.560 --> 01:03:26.220 it all here, from what I remember from that. And they also have a price for 722 01:03:26.220 --> 01:03:31.280 moving and hauling, so if you were going to say, we're hauling it back, I should 723 01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:36.230 ask them what their price is if we haul it back. What's the Safety First, what's the 724 01:03:36.230 --> 01:03:37.210 negative charge on that? 725 01:03:37.880 --> 01:03:44.520 They're giving us a CPC discount or something like that? Because we're part of 726 01:03:44.520 --> 01:03:53.730 that program. It's a cooperative pricing contract agreement price. Similar for 727 01:03:53.730 --> 01:03:58.840 product like when there's a state bid on vehicles, there's contracts for other 728 01:03:58.840 --> 01:04:04.290 things as well. And Sandy first is okay just taking it out and moving it and not 729 01:04:04.290 --> 01:04:10.410 building it? Yes. They were just only going to give us the price for the rebuild 730 01:04:10.410 --> 01:04:11.950 if they removed it. 731 01:04:12.310 --> 01:04:14.310 The removal price doesn't matter. 732 01:04:15.190 --> 01:04:21.210 So with this, if they were to, say, remove it and we didn't decide whether we're 733 01:04:21.210 --> 01:04:24.490 going to have them reinstalled or not, would they be okay with what you 734 01:04:24.490 --> 01:04:27.630 anticipate since they removed and brought it to us, they'd be then okay in the 735 01:04:27.630 --> 01:04:30.590 spring if we decided to go the route with them installing it, they would probably be 736 01:04:30.590 --> 01:04:35.930 okay with that, I assume? Yes, that's all he was saying. They were going to give us 737 01:04:35.930 --> 01:04:39.990 a huge discount for the installation if we wanted to get it put back up this fall. 738 01:04:40.190 --> 01:04:42.010 They'd do it as winter or whatever. Right. 739 01:04:42.730 --> 01:04:47.470 The price may change without it happening this fall but they would still do it as 740 01:04:47.470 --> 01:04:51.870 our understanding i mean i don't are we comfortable trying to do it this year 741 01:05:03.350 --> 01:05:07.650 Either that or we just try and save the money and have a community built for it 742 01:05:07.650 --> 01:05:08.210 instead of this. 743 01:05:22.930 --> 01:05:28.750 It has been done versus it being dragged out over a week until they have time 744 01:05:28.750 --> 01:05:32.030 available. So it wouldn't be the parking in a complete state where you have kids 745 01:05:32.030 --> 01:05:37.210 play on playground that's not complete. That's fair. Like they were doing at the 746 01:05:37.630 --> 01:05:43.480 skate park building. Watch for the ground prep. 747 01:05:52.060 --> 01:06:06.440 So that's where you would have to decide where they're going too. Yep and then I 748 01:06:06.440 --> 01:06:10.620 was thinking like for one that Sandy Hills would want the more middle-aged type stuff 749 01:06:10.620 --> 01:06:14.340 correct? I don't remember what's there. The younger one okay. 750 01:06:14.810 --> 01:06:18.490 And then i was thinking i don't know we haven't talked about the whisper ridge uh 751 01:06:18.490 --> 01:06:22.150 there's some green area there and there's not a playground set there um right now 752 01:06:22.150 --> 01:06:25.250 it's just a tennis court a basketball court yeah it's awesome what is that 753 01:06:25.250 --> 01:06:32.460 cottonwood street yeah i know that there are people in the in that neighborhood 754 01:06:32.460 --> 01:06:34.700 that they love the idea obviously so 755 01:06:38.190 --> 01:06:43.230 I think we can discuss that at another time. What do we want to do? Does it have 756 01:06:43.230 --> 01:06:47.750 safety first? Just go out and do the whole thing and public works can take care of 757 01:06:47.750 --> 01:06:52.510 the other business? I mean, I don't disagree with Nick. I mean, when they 758 01:06:52.510 --> 01:06:57.120 start getting pinched for time, things get pushed, and that's not going to get done. 759 01:06:57.400 --> 01:07:00.780 If you think we can make a decision, I mean, they've got to go down and take this 760 01:07:00.780 --> 01:07:04.860 thing out. I'm sure we have a few days to make a decision where we're going for it. 761 01:07:05.710 --> 01:07:09.510 If you go with safety first, at least you have the option of then installing it. 762 01:07:10.040 --> 01:07:17.100 Yeah. Or reinstalling it. Would you have a guy down there for safety first? No. Okay. 763 01:07:18.890 --> 01:07:23.110 I don't think I would at all, unless you guys are trying to save the hauling, which 764 01:07:23.110 --> 01:07:28.110 I thought the number on there, like the state was saying, doesn't seem like it's 765 01:07:28.380 --> 01:07:32.870 worth it really. It'd be a wash. Really? 766 01:07:34.720 --> 01:07:37.820 And they number and take it because he said the same thing. They're going to 767 01:07:37.820 --> 01:07:43.160 number and take it because they're putting that up to you or whatever you want. The 768 01:07:43.160 --> 01:07:47.540 more I like the idea of taking versus doing the whole thing, getting done. 769 01:07:48.300 --> 01:07:53.280 And doing it this year, does it save $5,000? I 100% agree with that. Only 770 01:07:53.440 --> 01:07:59.460 because I have built that part of it. It's not as easy. I know A goes with A, but 771 01:07:59.780 --> 01:08:05.540 there's thousands and thousands of A in A. I know you guys can do it, but I just 772 01:08:05.540 --> 01:08:09.320 think it's time, and you can't start and stop these projects. It's very 773 01:08:09.320 --> 01:08:13.860 time-consuming to get back into it and put it all away and bring it all back out. 774 01:08:14.540 --> 01:08:17.520 Was living something would stay and get here and play with it either way unless 775 01:08:17.520 --> 01:08:24.010 you fence it off america like well or we would say over and over get out of the 776 01:08:24.010 --> 01:08:27.490 skate park and then like what i thought it was open and then eric would say you 777 01:08:27.490 --> 01:08:32.230 thought because you had to hop the fence it was open the fence is awesome it 778 01:08:32.230 --> 01:08:36.110 doesn't work out so not if they want to give you something so i'll let the motion 779 01:08:36.110 --> 01:08:42.940 go with safety first the whole shebang and it will determine places for it in a later 780 01:08:42.940 --> 01:08:43.780 date tonight 781 01:08:45.040 --> 01:08:48.000 I would assume i mean we don't really have a later date if they're trying to do it 782 01:08:48.000 --> 01:08:53.280 this year still well they got to get the contract that's going to take time park 783 01:08:53.280 --> 01:08:56.960 park should be involved park and rec should be involved where it's going and 784 01:08:57.670 --> 01:09:01.310 like i said if they don't i didn't care less if that's what they want to do if 785 01:09:01.310 --> 01:09:06.710 they remove it then we can have them put it up and let's say they don't get it they 786 01:09:06.710 --> 01:09:11.230 say oh we can't get it up this year well then we can say well hey we want it up 787 01:09:11.230 --> 01:09:15.340 okay i see what you're saying okay i don't know 788 01:09:22.150 --> 01:09:27.630 Just just for clarification I mean is the council willing to if we do move forward 789 01:09:27.630 --> 01:09:31.990 with this and then the park board identifies the locations at their November 790 01:09:31.990 --> 01:09:38.500 24th meeting do you just they're only a recommendation board so that typically it 791 01:09:38.500 --> 01:09:42.780 has to then come back to council for approval on December 1st I select and make 792 01:09:42.780 --> 01:09:45.800 that decision because they never know works better 793 01:09:46.520 --> 01:09:57.090 By far. In my opinion, let that make that decision. That's in three weeks. That's 794 01:09:58.150 --> 01:10:06.920 possible. Yeah, you can do a special department record. I suggest that my 795 01:10:06.920 --> 01:10:08.980 motion would be take you first, the whole thing. 796 01:10:09.610 --> 01:10:13.970 But park and rec maybe have a special meeting park and rec let them determine 797 01:10:13.970 --> 01:10:19.170 where they want it second would we want to come back to council on the 17th no i just 798 01:10:19.170 --> 01:10:24.530 let them make that decision can we decide that the one part though we're going for 799 01:10:24.530 --> 01:10:33.680 sure can we do that i'm i would say so i mean i agree with you but i just 800 01:10:34.710 --> 01:10:38.550 No, no. No, just one of the parks. We already have identified that as a park as 801 01:10:38.550 --> 01:10:43.690 lacking some amendments. It's been kind of ignored for quite a while. You use that 802 01:10:43.690 --> 01:10:50.530 park often, correct? I mean, I used to call it the Sandburg a lot. But it needs 803 01:10:50.530 --> 01:10:54.930 attention, and I think that we've already discussed it several times that that park 804 01:10:54.930 --> 01:10:58.750 needs something. We have something. We can move on it. 805 01:11:00.520 --> 01:11:04.400 I'll be fine with that amendment. I see any park kids go and let them figure out 806 01:11:04.400 --> 01:11:07.020 the other one. Josh, do you know which one they want to go there? 807 01:11:08.530 --> 01:11:23.670 So to clarify, which one do you want? [Crosstalk about which structure should go 808 01:11:23.670 --> 01:11:35.190 to Isanti Hills.] I would agree that maybe the smaller one. All right, I accept that. 809 01:11:35.190 --> 01:11:35.830 That's the other thing, too. 810 01:11:39.610 --> 01:11:44.410 I think given the time constraints then that would allow safety first to serve if 811 01:11:44.410 --> 01:11:47.470 they dismantled it within two days they could start building that one as we wait 812 01:11:47.470 --> 01:11:51.210 for park board to come back with another one but i do think it's a good idea to 813 01:11:51.210 --> 01:11:54.570 have a special meeting we they didn't have a meeting last month just because we 814 01:11:54.570 --> 01:11:57.450 didn't have a quorum at the opening time so it would make 815 01:11:59.950 --> 01:12:04.130 Same cost difference if we were to add one. Holy moly, look at government moving 816 01:12:04.390 --> 01:12:14.120 fast. Let's go. Motion by Lundeen, second by Pedersen. All in favor say aye. Aye. 817 01:12:15.790 --> 01:12:20.650 Any opposed? Motion carries 5-0. Next we have the county LRIP discussion. [Brief 818 01:12:20.650 --> 01:12:25.150 crosstalk.] Oh, Woodland Park sign. Oh, Woodland Park sign. Sorry. 819 01:12:26.800 --> 01:12:31.700 So this was something that has been a common question. At least a handful of 820 01:12:31.700 --> 01:12:35.960 times people have asked about putting some sort of a child at play signs. We just did 821 01:12:35.960 --> 01:12:40.420 it at a different park a month ago. I don't know if you guys would be interested 822 01:12:40.420 --> 01:12:45.620 in putting this at that park location. I don't know that this one would be as 823 01:12:45.620 --> 01:12:49.980 visible because I think cars are parked along the street. They're blocking more of 824 01:12:49.980 --> 01:12:54.280 that visibility where a sign would go. But I'm not opposed to... 825 01:12:56.610 --> 01:13:03.540 I have no problem with putting them on all parks. I don't either. I make a motion to 826 01:13:03.540 --> 01:13:12.670 put one sign there and maybe revisit to win all the parks. Two signs, again, one 827 01:13:12.670 --> 01:13:17.210 on each side of the road. And then the same sign I put out from the room out of 828 01:13:17.210 --> 01:13:17.510 this, correct? 829 01:13:18.710 --> 01:13:22.590 Yes. I think so. Nick, what were you going to say? Well, I was going to say the 830 01:13:22.590 --> 01:13:26.450 motion is for all, but Riverside Park doesn't mean because that's... I just said 831 01:13:26.450 --> 01:13:35.460 for this park and then revisit all the parks later. That's what I stated. So 832 01:13:35.460 --> 01:13:39.340 there's a motion from Lundeen, second from Hemen. Yes. All in favor of that motion, 833 01:13:39.340 --> 01:13:47.920 say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries to 5-0. Next, we have County LRIP, I 834 01:13:47.920 --> 01:13:48.780 believe. Yes. 835 01:13:49.360 --> 01:13:56.060 So I did pass out a map with a draft letter example. So the Isanti County 836 01:13:56.060 --> 01:14:00.780 Highway Department engineer, Justin Bergerson, had reached out. They are 837 01:14:00.780 --> 01:14:06.640 applying for an LRIP grant for reconstruction of County Road 45, which is 838 01:14:06.640 --> 01:14:11.740 from CSAH 5, east of the city of Isanti, north to CSAH 19. You can see the map. 839 01:14:11.920 --> 01:14:16.480 This project area is outside of city limits. However, 840 01:14:17.150 --> 01:14:22.030 Part of their application, as all applications, even when the city did it as 841 01:14:22.030 --> 01:14:26.790 well, is you do have a better chance if you have letters of support. And then the 842 01:14:26.790 --> 01:14:30.230 city of Isanti would be recognizing the long-term importance of County Road 45 as 843 01:14:30.230 --> 01:14:36.030 a north-south connection east of the Trunk Highway 65. Its role in supporting the 844 01:14:36.030 --> 01:14:43.470 growth and just mobility of vehicles on the east side of Isanti would be a 845 01:14:43.470 --> 01:14:43.970 great... 846 01:14:45.130 --> 01:14:48.030 Help for them to try to get this LRIP grant. 847 01:14:56.360 --> 01:15:02.540 So this, I brought this forward. Josie and I could have, you know, collaborated on 848 01:15:02.540 --> 01:15:06.120 this and then wrote that letter. But I brought it forward specifically because we 849 01:15:06.120 --> 01:15:10.420 had talked about in one of our last meetings about an LRIP grant for the local 850 01:15:10.420 --> 01:15:15.360 match on the federally funded projects of heritage from Railroad Avenue, from the 851 01:15:15.360 --> 01:15:20.940 railroad to the bridge essentially. And this would actually, my thought was this 852 01:15:20.940 --> 01:15:24.180 LRIP grant would compete with ours. Is that something that... 853 01:15:24.470 --> 01:15:28.130 It would not it would not um so counties compete against other counties for 854 01:15:28.130 --> 01:15:32.390 elaborate funds but cities compete against other cities for elaborate funds okay okay 855 01:15:32.390 --> 01:15:37.050 so that was the question so is anybody opposed to writing a letter of support for 856 01:15:37.050 --> 01:15:44.920 this like i said i think we need to start playing a little nicer when it comes to 857 01:15:44.920 --> 01:15:48.500 some of the stuff we're saying we're figuring out all these developments and 858 01:15:48.500 --> 01:15:52.160 there's nothing nope we're not going to do it this gal comes in asking about parking 859 01:15:52.160 --> 01:15:53.540 on it nope we're not going to do it 860 01:15:54.880 --> 01:16:00.060 Grow up. Be responsible for the community. Now you're coming to the city of Asani and 861 01:16:00.060 --> 01:16:05.660 asking us to go order our way to give them a rep, you know, to give them a rep on the 862 01:16:05.660 --> 01:16:11.700 back to do something. I just feel you're not playing nice, but you want something 863 01:16:11.700 --> 01:16:15.420 from me, but you don't want to give me anything in return. I agree 100%. We've 864 01:16:15.420 --> 01:16:19.480 had a lot of these discussions about not being allowed access. I mean, we have a 865 01:16:19.480 --> 01:16:23.020 really prime piece of real estate just north of the Holiday gas station. 866 01:16:23.370 --> 01:16:26.530 That the county doesn't want to give access for development there off with the 867 01:16:26.530 --> 01:16:30.650 county road so you know i i've been saying this also so i really appreciate steve 868 01:16:30.650 --> 01:16:40.600 it's i don't whatever they do 145 has zero to do with the city by standing if 869 01:16:40.600 --> 01:16:46.120 anything else they're going to divert traffic coming out to five up down five to 870 01:16:46.120 --> 01:16:53.840 65 that is all they're going to do and technically that's their road anyway so as 871 01:16:53.840 --> 01:16:54.560 far as i'm concerned 872 01:16:55.600 --> 01:16:58.340 Unless you want to start playing nice, I don't know what you want from me. 873 01:16:58.740 --> 01:17:03.960 I mean i think i hear what you're saying i do think that we work collaboratively as 874 01:17:03.960 --> 01:17:08.720 best as possible if the city is going to apply for an LRIP grant and the county did 875 01:17:08.720 --> 01:17:13.020 not write a letter for us and they did when we applied we had to apply when we 876 01:17:13.020 --> 01:17:17.300 did the roundabout um it would make it difficult for the city to get the grant 877 01:17:17.300 --> 01:17:22.040 without their support so i do think they also benefited from it as much as the city 878 01:17:22.040 --> 01:17:26.040 they did benefit as well but i do think that 879 01:17:26.510 --> 01:17:29.730 We should write them a letter of support for this and keep that relationship 880 01:17:29.730 --> 01:17:33.770 positive. I still think you should be told that maybe it's time to start playing 881 01:17:33.770 --> 01:17:38.790 nice. Because this has nothing to do with the city. Well, let's make that time right 882 01:17:38.790 --> 01:17:44.690 now. We can start being nice and maybe we let them know. No, it's not us being nice, 883 01:17:44.810 --> 01:17:48.650 it's them. I know, we're just showing them. But I mean, that was the point, is 884 01:17:48.650 --> 01:17:55.610 it's every time they've gone to it and it's a legitimate reason for them to do 885 01:17:55.610 --> 01:17:55.810 it. 886 01:17:56.500 --> 01:18:04.820 And it's a no. That's what irritates me. And like I said, that has zero to do with 887 01:18:04.820 --> 01:18:09.280 the city of Iceni. The roundabout had everything to do with the city of Iceni 888 01:18:09.280 --> 01:18:15.140 and the county. It wasn't like we were asking them to do something for us on one 889 01:18:15.140 --> 01:18:21.360 of our own private streets. They benefited from that as much as the city did, if not 890 01:18:21.360 --> 01:18:24.440 more so, because their share got cut down quite a bit of money. 891 01:18:25.430 --> 01:18:30.410 I think the city council has actually had more cooperation from the county than any 892 01:18:30.410 --> 01:18:36.050 council previous. I think we've done a fantastic job. I think when the county 893 01:18:36.050 --> 01:18:40.290 came here and sat in this chamber and we all worked out the roundabout, I thought 894 01:18:40.290 --> 01:18:46.250 we done work really well. I think our relationship has definitely came a long 895 01:18:46.250 --> 01:18:50.510 way over the last few years. The communication takes time. You can't just 896 01:18:50.510 --> 01:18:52.030 expect everything all at once. 897 01:18:54.590 --> 01:18:59.530 I definitely agree we'll go ahead with this letter and we are looking for our own 898 01:18:59.530 --> 01:19:06.190 letters well maybe we start with that we would love to write you a letter for our 899 01:19:06.190 --> 01:19:13.800 letter just as we are also we'll be also looking for a letter yeah i'm not sure but 900 01:19:13.800 --> 01:19:19.920 we will it's very possible we will be so okay yes okay does anybody want to make a 901 01:19:19.920 --> 01:19:21.580 motion on that we'll make a motion 902 01:19:27.750 --> 01:19:34.070 Motion from Hemen, second from Pedersen. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? 903 01:19:34.370 --> 01:19:42.000 [Voice vote.] Motion carries 4-1. Good discussion, guys. I appreciate it. Next 904 01:19:42.000 --> 01:19:49.150 item, building access. Yep, this would be number 11, and this is brought forward by 905 01:19:49.150 --> 01:19:50.070 Councilmember Pedersen. 906 01:20:03.350 --> 01:20:07.650 I know there was a time where that had bad and that got taken away, and if we can, we 907 01:20:07.650 --> 01:20:16.620 had, we sent that prohibition. This building? Yes. I don't remember a summer 908 01:20:16.620 --> 01:20:21.780 having 14 years on here. I've never had access to this building. Never. And 909 01:20:21.780 --> 01:20:28.000 14-year office? That was just the mayor only. Correct. It wasn't anybody else. 910 01:20:28.160 --> 01:20:28.660 Different mayor. 911 01:20:29.300 --> 01:20:33.620 Different mayor i mean it was other mayors i thought it was the council i read that 912 01:20:33.620 --> 01:20:40.680 just no no never never had by ever had access to this building and nor do i want 913 01:20:40.680 --> 01:20:45.660 one yeah i agree and i think we all have access to this building by a part of when 914 01:20:45.660 --> 01:20:46.240 we come in 915 01:20:52.510 --> 01:21:00.150 Can you elaborate, I guess, what kind of building access you're looking for? I come 916 01:21:00.150 --> 01:21:04.090 early, I get stuck in the rain just waiting to come inside. For meetings? 917 01:21:04.370 --> 01:21:11.770 Yeah. I haven't got that money. You don't have to have the truck running? 918 01:21:13.970 --> 01:21:17.750 Okay yeah i wasn't sure if you were looking for like i.t access or okay not 919 01:21:17.750 --> 01:21:23.110 limited stuff just i i was an impression that city council had the ability to new 920 01:21:23.110 --> 01:21:26.270 building if that's never been the thing i'm not trying to reinvent something the 921 01:21:26.270 --> 01:21:31.610 mayor used to in fact was that 28 20 20 20 ish 922 01:21:33.960 --> 01:21:39.080 And I'm not aware of access to the facility. Depending on which mayor you're 923 01:21:39.080 --> 01:21:44.100 talking about, some had access to maybe the outside back door, not all of them, 924 01:21:44.320 --> 01:21:49.820 but definitely access to the office. But yes, never a council member that I'm aware 925 01:21:49.820 --> 01:21:54.440 of. I know a couple of mayors had access to that back door, which I don't agree 926 01:21:54.440 --> 01:21:59.040 with because we're all equal up here. The mayor has access. The rest of us should 927 01:21:59.040 --> 01:22:02.320 have access. As far as your point, 928 01:22:05.480 --> 01:22:10.660 Well, can't you call Josie or one of the staff and have them come let you in if you 929 01:22:10.660 --> 01:22:18.130 come here early? Do I? Should I meet you? Well, I'm just trying to find a workaround 930 01:22:18.130 --> 01:22:22.510 because obviously you're closing that door after hours. So the city council meeting 931 01:22:22.510 --> 01:22:28.390 that starts at 6.30, you're closing at 5. We close them at 4.30, lock about 4.30. 932 01:22:28.490 --> 01:22:28.710 Okay. 933 01:22:30.220 --> 01:22:35.140 I haven't called the NASCAR access before. If I need to again, for some reason, I 934 01:22:35.140 --> 01:22:41.240 haven't called NASCAR. Josie has came, or Katie has came, or Stephanie has came, and 935 01:22:41.240 --> 01:22:45.000 let me in. My thought process is if we're trusting with the budget and a lot of 936 01:22:45.000 --> 01:22:47.760 other responsibilities, I just don't understand why can't you trust with the 937 01:22:47.760 --> 01:22:47.960 key. 938 01:22:49.550 --> 01:22:53.190 And i don't need full building access because i don't want to have to provide 939 01:22:53.190 --> 01:22:58.250 alibi for a certain area but as far as i'm trying to access those immediate doors and 940 01:22:58.250 --> 01:23:02.770 if i come early and it's known as here that i don't just sit around and wait i 941 01:23:02.770 --> 01:23:08.420 don't i i totally hear it i just don't think it's necessary remember i just had 942 01:23:08.420 --> 01:23:16.620 14 years of i've been there i've never had access to that it's a good question so any 943 01:23:17.100 --> 01:23:23.140 other discussion or do we need a vote on it do you want to vote there 944 01:23:35.170 --> 01:23:40.840 The only thing I can add to that, and I'm not saying whether I'm for or against it, 945 01:23:41.220 --> 01:23:47.640 but not every employee has access. For example, a liquor store doesn't have 946 01:23:47.640 --> 01:23:53.500 access, but employees are governed by the personnel policy, and it does outline. 947 01:23:54.960 --> 01:24:00.480 Uh repercussions is probably not the right word but disciplinary actions if you do 948 01:24:00.480 --> 01:24:04.840 something unauthorized um like stephanie can't just come in here and have a kid's 949 01:24:04.840 --> 01:24:08.780 party kind of thing like there's rules against not that you would but i mean 950 01:24:08.780 --> 01:24:14.100 there's rules against that she can face disciplinary up to termination none of 951 01:24:14.100 --> 01:24:15.580 those rules that are 952 01:24:16.590 --> 01:24:21.150 She has to follow as an employee is applicable to elected officials because 953 01:24:21.150 --> 01:24:27.820 you're not employees. So that would be the one challenge. What would be the, other 954 01:24:27.820 --> 01:24:31.800 than taking it away, there isn't any kind of like if you don't follow the rules, 955 01:24:31.820 --> 01:24:37.440 here's your discipline. Which I wasn't asking for access to the full building, 956 01:24:37.640 --> 01:24:43.460 just through that one office and that one door. That goes through though. Does it, 957 01:24:43.620 --> 01:24:44.380 would it have to? 958 01:24:48.000 --> 01:24:54.420 The council that office door could be locked from the outside it cannot no it 959 01:24:55.130 --> 01:25:00.470 locks from the inside not that we can't put a different lock on the door i mean 960 01:25:00.470 --> 01:25:02.830 there is that possibility but it locks from the inside 961 01:25:07.500 --> 01:25:25.920 [A council member raised concerns about access to city records.] 962 01:25:27.410 --> 01:25:33.810 I would agree. I think that if we had, and I do like this idea, but it does come with 963 01:25:33.810 --> 01:25:40.270 a cost, where you knew who accessed what doors by everybody having a fob system on 964 01:25:40.270 --> 01:25:44.250 all doors, then I think that you would know who went in there. Did they go into a 965 01:25:44.250 --> 01:25:47.210 room that they weren't supposed to, you know, things like that, but we don't have 966 01:25:47.210 --> 01:25:50.490 that. But I think that's an enduring cost that we don't need to do because we've 967 01:25:50.490 --> 01:25:51.430 never done it before. 968 01:25:55.150 --> 01:26:00.170 I stayed in my piece. I don't think it's necessary. I agree. Sorry, Nick. I know 969 01:26:00.170 --> 01:26:04.150 there's been times for me where it's like, man, it sure would be nice, like, 970 01:26:04.310 --> 01:26:09.110 sometimes, like, if I have to go, if I'm working here from 4.30 until 6 for a 971 01:26:09.110 --> 01:26:11.810 meeting, it's like, oh, I've got to go into the car, and now there's the doors 972 01:26:11.810 --> 01:26:15.930 locked, and now I've got to have somebody let me in. Like, there's, it is a little 973 01:26:15.930 --> 01:26:22.840 bit annoying, but it's a maybe once in a month type of thing, you know, so. And 974 01:26:22.840 --> 01:26:24.380 your board will produce that office. 975 01:26:25.330 --> 01:26:32.310 So if you want to hit your IRB, but you can call and ask and use it. All right. 976 01:26:32.830 --> 01:26:36.590 Erica, do you have any opinions? I don't want to keep. Okay. Sounds good. Well, 977 01:26:36.670 --> 01:26:40.780 that's a pretty strong consensus. Do you want to call a vote? Good discussion. 978 01:26:41.000 --> 01:26:45.700 Sounds good. Well, good discussion, guys. I appreciate it. So next we'll move on to 979 01:26:45.700 --> 01:26:50.040 the consent agenda. Are there any questions or comments on the consent 980 01:26:50.040 --> 01:26:53.830 agenda? Yeah. Good news. 981 01:27:16.860 --> 01:27:23.280 I guess that's our bond payment. Is it a bond payment? 982 01:27:24.080 --> 01:27:30.820 The omaha the large bill that we sent out first national bank at the 297 yes which 983 01:27:30.820 --> 01:27:34.220 it is i don't know off the top of my head exactly which yes it's a bond service 984 01:27:34.220 --> 01:27:38.280 payment i can't say exactly which bond number off the top of my head but it's a 985 01:27:38.280 --> 01:27:39.300 bond payment okay 986 01:27:44.530 --> 01:27:48.530 I would just like to give a shout out. First to Illuminate Isanti or Isanti 987 01:27:48.530 --> 01:27:52.630 Together, that group, for getting donations. Lit’l Sprouts Child Care, Plugs 988 01:27:52.630 --> 01:27:57.310 Garage, and Smile Doctors LLC all donated to Illuminate Isanti. I'm looking forward 989 01:27:57.310 --> 01:28:00.610 to that event this year. Are there any more volunteer days planned for that that 990 01:28:00.610 --> 01:28:05.430 have been posted or that are scheduled? I know Carla and Brittany Anderla have been 991 01:28:05.430 --> 01:28:09.230 out there basically every day. Okay. Or we're meeting in their garage. 992 01:28:10.670 --> 01:28:15.410 So i don't know about large ones um now that public works has put out the big 993 01:28:15.410 --> 01:28:20.110 stuff we're ready to go again so so if there's if the public sees people out 994 01:28:20.110 --> 01:28:24.310 there working can people stop by and give a hand you are welcome at any time any 995 01:28:24.310 --> 01:28:30.470 place when we're out there we'll use you okay sounds good any other questions or 996 01:28:30.470 --> 01:28:36.560 comments on the consent agenda no i motion to approve the consent agenda 997 01:28:38.000 --> 01:28:44.520 Motion by Zdon, second by Hemen. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion 998 01:28:44.520 --> 01:28:49.600 carries 4-0 with Steve in the hallway. So, I don't know how we do that, but... Just 999 01:28:49.600 --> 01:28:56.850 like that. Okay, sounds good. Any other communications? Otherwise, we'll move into 1000 01:28:56.850 --> 01:29:00.050 closed session. All right, I'll entertain a motion to move into closed session for 1001 01:29:00.050 --> 01:29:03.670 labor negotiation strategies pursuant to Minnesota Section 13D.03. 1002 01:29:05.740 --> 01:29:09.640 Second. Motion by Pedersen, second by Zdon. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any 1003 01:29:09.640 --> 01:29:13.080 opposed? The motion carries 4-0 with Steve in the hallway.